Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use? -Drew
--On Friday, March 21, 2003 16:46:51 -0500 Drew Weaver <drew.weaver@thenap.com> wrote:
Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use?
Socketcomm has a PCMCIA serial port card. Not cheap. If you hear of something else, Please let me know. LER
-Drew
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I forgot to cc nanog, but you can pick up USB to Serial adapters. I just picked up a high speed usb to serial adapter for about $80CDN: http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/USA19W/ hth. On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 04:31 PM, Larry Rosenman wrote:
--On Friday, March 21, 2003 16:46:51 -0500 Drew Weaver <drew.weaver@thenap.com> wrote:
Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use?
Socketcomm has a PCMCIA serial port card.
Not cheap. If you hear of something else, Please let me know.
LER
-Drew
-- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
Serial ports that plug into USB seem to be fairly cheap Larry Rosenman wrote:
--On Friday, March 21, 2003 16:46:51 -0500 Drew Weaver <drew.weaver@thenap.com> wrote:
Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use?
Socketcomm has a PCMCIA serial port card.
Not cheap. If you hear of something else, Please let me know.
LER
-Drew
-- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
--On Friday, March 21, 2003 13:40:17 -0800 Roy <garlic@garlic.com> wrote:
Serial ports that plug into USB seem to be fairly cheap I guess I need to look harder.. (and does FreeBSD 4-STABLE support them? ).
LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Larry Rosenman wrote:
I guess I need to look harder.. (and does FreeBSD 4-STABLE support them? ).
Sadly, no: ugen0: Keyspan product 0x010b, rev 1.00/80.01, addr 2 I do recall finding a patch a long time ago that I used on my work laptop. Why it was never committed, I don't know. It worked well, you just didn't want to unplug the adapter while an app had the port open. If you Google, you should find it. Whether it will apply cleanly to -stable is another question. Charles
LER
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My new Dell Inspiron 8500 came stock with one. Todd -- | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On | Behalf Of Drew Weaver | Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:47 PM | To: 'nanog@merit.edu' | Subject: OT: Notebooks /w a serial port? | | | | Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a | 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've | found some that | have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need | to serial into a | router or some other device. What do you guys use? | | -Drew | |
| -----Original Message----- | From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On | Behalf Of Drew Weaver | Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:47 PM | To: 'nanog@merit.edu' | Subject: OT: Notebooks /w a serial port? | | | | Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a | 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've | found some that | have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need | to serial into a | router or some other device. What do you guys use?
IBM T and A series systems all have serial ports as far as I know. (I have not seen T40, yet.) R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Kevin Oberman wrote:
IBM T and A series systems all have serial ports as far as I know. (I have not seen T40, yet.)
The Toshiba Satellite Pros have serial ports as well. The lower end non-pro Satellite notebooks don't. I discovered while notebook shopping a couple months ago that asking about serial ports is a good way to get laughed at by computer sales people. "Don't you know serial is dead?" they kept asking. -Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Gibbard scg@gibbard.org +1 510 528-1035 http://www.gibbard.org/~scg
Steve Gibbard said:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Kevin Oberman wrote:
IBM T and A series systems all have serial ports as far as I know. (I have not seen T40, yet.)
The Toshiba Satellite Pros have serial ports as well. The lower end non-pro Satellite notebooks don't.
I discovered while notebook shopping a couple months ago that asking about serial ports is a good way to get laughed at by computer sales people. "Don't you know serial is dead?" they kept asking.
Heh, I had the same response. Incidentally, I just purchased a Satellite Pro (one of the new Centrino-stickered ones) and it does not have a serial port. The previously-mentioned Keyspan USB-to-serial adapter works just fine however. Grant -- Grant A. Kirkwood - grant(at)tnarg.org Fingerprint = D337 48C4 4D00 232D 3444 1D5D 27F6 055A BF0C 4AED
Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use?
USB serials work. I also remember a vendor laughing me almost out of the room when I suggested they put in USB console ports. (usb connectors which would emulate serial, or LAN if they would like to) Pete
I don't know of any off the top of my head, but you can get a Belkin USB hub that has a serial port on it. There's the F5U116 which as 1 Paralell, 4 USB, and 2 Serial ports... Retails for $90 They used to have a smaller one that you could get that just had 1 serial port...I don't know how much it cost, however. Thanks, Adam Debus Linux Certified Professional, Linux Certified Administrator #447641 Network Administrator, ReachONE Internet adam@reachone.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> To: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: OT: Notebooks /w a serial port?
Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into
a
router or some other device. What do you guys use?
-Drew
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I don't know of any off the top of my head, but you can get a Belkin USB hub that has a serial port on it.
There's the F5U116 which as 1 Paralell, 4 USB, and 2 Serial ports... Retails for $90
The Keyspan's are OK, but IMHO I'd run like a Baghdad citizen from any Belkin USB anything. Details off-list on request. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Drew Weaver wrote:
Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use?
I have a powerbook, and I use the USB serial adapter from Keyspan. Should work great for a PC; it's the only one that will work for OS X that I know of. While there isn't much in the way of decent terminal emulators in OS X, there are two other ways to use the keyspan. For the bsd geeks (like most on this list, I would assume), it creates a POSIX device in /dev, so you can use your favorite command line and X-windows apps (for those who haven't switched, apple's support for X-windows is damn nice). And for those with Virtual PC, the keyspan adapter can be "shared" with the emaulated PC, and you can use SecureCRT, "the best terminal emulator ever". Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, Inc. www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Andy Dills wrote:
And for those with Virtual PC, the keyspan adapter can be "shared" with the emaulated PC, and you can use SecureCRT, "the best terminal emulator ever".
Don't forget the OS-X native "Z-Term". Fairly simple, works well: http://homepage.mac.com/dalverson/zterm/ Charles
Andy
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Drew Weaver wrote:
Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that
Most of the notebooks I've looked at lately, had standard 9-pin serial ports on the back - they were mostly Dell's. Also, the Zaurus'es have a serial port - we're in the process of doing an eval on a Zaurus with serial cable, ether and/or 802.11 card - should make for an interesting network troubleshooting tool.
have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use?
Dell laptop of unrememberable model. - d. -- Dominic J. Eidson "Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!" - Gimli ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.the-infinite.org/ http://www.the-infinite.org/~dominic/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have a Dell C400 that has a 9 pin serial. In the past I have had laptops without serial. Using a USB dongle sucked, in fact some laptops did not provide enough power on the USB port while on battery power to make the USB dongle function. Further the USB dongle is yet another hunk of crap to carry around, and having had to work in cramped spaces, I found the dongle to be too much to deal with at times. For laptops without Serial ports, I have used the "Silicom PCMCIA RS-232 serial port Card" (http://www.silicom.co.il/srs.htm). I still keep one so I have have two serial ports on my current laptop. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE+e5cWYCZjVDyC1X4RAoL1AKDTejifjozmhH2nra4+IaK9BfMDjgCfUhCS 95XS7S0g9dWJ136zA2b3Ufk= =tjat -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 3/21/03 1:46 PM, "Drew Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> wrote:
Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use?
-Drew
Buy a MAC Powerbook. I just purchased a 12" PB as a backup to my 15" TiBook and for folks around the office to use for field use. With a USB serial adaptor and Zterm (shareware terminal emulator) it works great.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, joe mcguckin wrote:
Buy a MAC Powerbook. I just purchased a 12" PB as a backup to my 15" TiBook and for folks around the office to use for field use. With a USB serial adaptor and Zterm (shareware terminal emulator) it works great.
conserver is a great command line solution. .cshrc: alias console "sudo /usr/local/etc/conserver.rc start; sleep 2; \ /usr/local/bin/console -p 1025 -M 127.0.0.1 serial; sudo \ /usr/local/etc/conserver.rc stop" I didn't like zterm... Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, Inc. www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
large dells all have serial ports joelja On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, joe mcguckin wrote:
On 3/21/03 1:46 PM, "Drew Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> wrote:
Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use?
-Drew
Buy a MAC Powerbook. I just purchased a 12" PB as a backup to my 15" TiBook and for folks around the office to use for field use. With a USB serial adaptor and Zterm (shareware terminal emulator) it works great.
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