RE: Allocation of IP Addresses
How much attention is paid to how blocks are being used...??? Why doesn't the Internic require that Class A delegates, use those addresses rather than addresses from other parts of the spectrum...??? For example, why are name servers allowed in 192 and 204...as shown below...??? It would be easy for the Internic to have a policy that does not allow the following... @@@@@@@@@@@@@ $ whois 12.0.0.0 AT&T Bell Laboratories (NET-ATT) 6200 East Broad Street Columbus, OH 43213 Netname: ATT Netnumber: 12.0.0.0 Coordinator: Martin, Lisa (LM283) Lisa.Nowak.Martin@ATT.COM 614-860-3409 Domain System inverse mapping provided by: GW1.ATT.COM 192.20.239.133 GW4.ATT.COM 204.179.186.34 NS.RESEARCH.ATT.COM 192.20.225.4 Record last updated on 30-Jan-96. The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Should companies be given recognition for "Internet Ecology" efforts...??? Hewlett-Packard Company (NET-HP-INTERNET) 3000 Hanover Street Palo Alto, CA 94304 Netname: HP-INTERNET Netnumber: 15.0.0.0 Coordinator: Milligan, Michael (MM53) milli@HP.COM +1 408 746 5399 Domain System inverse mapping provided by: HP.COM 15.255.152.4 HPCUOC.CUP.HP.COM 15.255.208.5 HPFCLA.FC.HP.COM 15.254.48.2 HPLB.HPL.HP.COM 15.255.59.2 RELAY.HP.COM 15.255.152.2 Record last updated on 16-Aug-95. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Naperville, IL ---------- From: David R. Conrad[SMTP:davidc@apnic.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 1996 8:49 PM To: Michael Dillon Cc: 'com-priv list'; 'NANOG List'; 'NIC Registry list'; davidc@teckla.apnic.net Subject: Re: Allocation of IP Addresses
Bullshit. The InterNIC is very much aware of global routing issues. Then why have they not yet come up with a workable policy like the one RIPE uses to release /16 blocks incrementally to new ISP's?
All 3 registries have essentially the same policy with respect to the growth of new blocks. However, given InterNIC's load, the end effect may be different (remember, InterNIC receives approximately 50 new ISP requests per week -- how much space should they reserve for new ISPs?).
What business issues are you talking about? Basically, the market demand is INCREDIBLY HIGH and businesses want to build up infrastructure to meet this demand but the Internic IP address allocation procedures are too confusing and take too long.
Your proposal is? If you say charging for address space, please explain what would stop deep pocket companies from buying up all the address space? Regards, -drc
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How much attention is paid to how blocks are being used...???
ISPs must now show 75-80% utilization of existing address space prior to allocation of new address space.
Why doesn't the Internic require that Class A delegates, use those addresses rather than addresses from other parts of the spectrum...???
To my knowledge they do. Note that this is a relatively recent policy shift. I do know ISPs with class As have been refused new allocations until they can dmonstrate they have utilized 70-80% of their class A, however it is easy to hide that you are from an organization with existing space.
For example, why are name servers allowed in 192 and 204...as shown below...??? It would be easy for the Internic to have a policy that does not allow the foll owing...
There are many such examples (IBM, PSI, BBN, etc). However, I do not believe there have been new allocations to these organizations in the recent past.
Should companies be given recognition for "Internet Ecology" efforts...??? Hewlett-Packard Company (NET-HP-INTERNET)
You are basing too much on what companies use for their DNS. HP has lots of other address space as well. Regards, -drc
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