Well, you can always do filtering of routing updates at your ciscos. If i understand correctly Ascends are not directly connected to MAE-East. --vadim there are about a dozen ISP's extensively using ascend's which have this hole. our original RFP to them dealt with this issue but they did not execute they keep trying to fix this, but so far no go we have tried to keep this quiet so that microsoft/uunet/psinet/etc..... don't get extensively hacked we have had two occurences of this so far in one year that I know of though there are probably more marty