Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers? At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult. We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist? What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers? Thanks in advance -- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
My previous employer still has racks of APX 8000's. Reseller market appears to still be at least somewhat alive, and I know my previous employer has ~30 chassis and boxes upon boxes of cards for 'em; they may be willing to unload some if you have any interest. Hit me up off-list if so and I can see if they have a desire to part with them, and I'll connect you. -Tim On 10/16/2015 12:28 PM, Will Duquette wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers?
At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult.
We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist?
What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers?
Thanks in advance
Coretel - outsource your modem pool
On Oct 16, 2015, at 15:28, Will Duquette <willd@staff.gwi.net> wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers?
At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult.
We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist?
What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers?
Thanks in advance
-- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
Outsource it. http://www.dialupusa.net/ Used them for years probably 10 years until we stopped dial-up. Very solid network. Justin Wilson j2sw@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Will Duquette <willd@staff.gwi.net> wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers?
At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult.
We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist?
What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers?
Thanks in advance
-- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015, Will Duquette wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers?
At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult.
We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist?
The AS5200 is so old, their 10mb ethernet ports are AUI, so you need transcievers hanging off the back of them, and though I bet you can get them for free or the cost of shipping, I wouldn't recommend them. AFAIK, cisco stopped making dedicated dialup service gear some years ago, but you can still find AS5300 and AS5400 gear used for pennies on the dollar. I'd avoid the older 2U AS5300 96 and 192 port units. We had a bunch of those 2 jobs ago, and as we started pulling them from service (shutting down the dialup POPs), we found that many of them would not boot up again when tested back at the office. I kind of wonder now if they were affected by cisco's "defective RAM issue". Depending on the density you need, an AS5400HPX (and an M13 mux if needed) might be a reasonable way to go. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
We're still using USR Robotics/3com TotalControls and were able to get some spare parts from our statewide telecom partner when they shut down their stuff. Most common problem we see now are fan failures, but we just cannabilize existing the fans out of a fan tray. The volume of calls are so low that there are no hours that no one is dialed in, and at most we see two people connected at one time. Frank -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Will Duquette Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:29 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Dial Up Solutions Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers? At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult. We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist? What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers? Thanks in advance -- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
3Com TC here. 9 users online at the moment. Surprises me that it's that high. Last reboot on the HiperARC was 399 days ago. I almost forgot how to log on to the damned thing. At one time we had over 3000 DS0s worth of dialup capacity. At 09:37 AM 17/10/2015, frnkblk@iname.com wrote:
We're still using USR Robotics/3com TotalControls and were able to get some spare parts from our statewide telecom partner when they shut down their stuff. Most common problem we see now are fan failures, but we just cannabilize existing the fans out of a fan tray. The volume of calls are so low that there are no hours that no one is dialed in, and at most we see two people connected at one time.
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Will Duquette Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:29 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Dial Up Solutions
Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers?
At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult.
We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist?
What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers?
Thanks in advance
-- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
-- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409
I'm going to go with Justin's suggestion and go with a wholesale provider such as DialupUSA. It's not worth paying for the lines and keeping a T1 or better for just a few users. DialupUSA use to charge around $5/user. They also had hourly and per port options. Looks like you can port existing numbers to them now. I used them 9-10 years ago and they were great to work with! IKANO bought them out since then, but they still operate under DialupUSA.net. They have DSL and T1 options too. - Jason On 10/17/15 10:23 AM, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
3Com TC here. 9 users online at the moment. Surprises me that it's that high. Last reboot on the HiperARC was 399 days ago. I almost forgot how to log on to the damned thing.
At one time we had over 3000 DS0s worth of dialup capacity.
At 09:37 AM 17/10/2015, frnkblk@iname.com wrote:
We're still using USR Robotics/3com TotalControls and were able to get some spare parts from our statewide telecom partner when they shut down their stuff. Most common problem we see now are fan failures, but we just cannabilize existing the fans out of a fan tray. The volume of calls are so low that there are no hours that no one is dialed in, and at most we see two people connected at one time.
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Will Duquette Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:29 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Dial Up Solutions
Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers?
At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult.
We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist?
What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers?
Thanks in advance
-- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
We only run our own because as a CLEC, we self supply the PRI. Otherwise yes, outsource away... At 10:29 AM 17/10/2015, Jason Canady wrote:
I'm going to go with Justin's suggestion and go with a wholesale provider such as DialupUSA. It's not worth paying for the lines and keeping a T1 or better for just a few users. DialupUSA use to charge around $5/user. They also had hourly and per port options. Looks like you can port existing numbers to them now. I used them 9-10 years ago and they were great to work with! IKANO bought them out since then, but they still operate under DialupUSA.net. They have DSL and T1 options too.
- Jason
On 10/17/15 10:23 AM, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
3Com TC here. 9 users online at the moment. Surprises me that it's that high. Last reboot on the HiperARC was 399 days ago. I almost forgot how to log on to the damned thing.
At one time we had over 3000 DS0s worth of dialup capacity.
At 09:37 AM 17/10/2015, frnkblk@iname.com wrote:
We're still using USR Robotics/3com TotalControls and were able to get some spare parts from our statewide telecom partner when they shut down their stuff. Most common problem we see now are fan failures, but we just cannabilize existing the fans out of a fan tray. The volume of calls are so low that there are no hours that no one is dialed in, and at most we see two people connected at one time.
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Will Duquette Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:29 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Dial Up Solutions
Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers?
At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult.
We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist?
What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers?
Thanks in advance
-- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
-- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409
On 10/17/2015 07:29 AM, Jason Canady wrote:
I'm going to go with Justin's suggestion and go with a wholesale provider such as DialupUSA. It's not worth paying for the lines and keeping a T1 or better for just a few users. DialupUSA use to charge around $5/user. They also had hourly and per port options. Looks like you can port existing numbers to them now. I used them 9-10 years ago and they were great to work with! IKANO bought them out since then, but they still operate under DialupUSA.net. They have DSL and T1 options too.
The ISP I consult to uses an outsource dial service (don't remember which one). They require us to maintain a RADIUS server accessible from the public internet, to validate callers and handle options and restrictions. You probably have a RADIUS server already, but you may need to make minor (but tedious) modifications. Factor that into your planning.
ipass worldwide aka psinet did such with end auth on psinet radius infrastructure Sent from my iPhone
On 17 Oct 2015, at 16:54, Stephen Satchell <list@satchell.net> wrote:
On 10/17/2015 07:29 AM, Jason Canady wrote: I'm going to go with Justin's suggestion and go with a wholesale provider such as DialupUSA. It's not worth paying for the lines and keeping a T1 or better for just a few users. DialupUSA use to charge around $5/user. They also had hourly and per port options. Looks like you can port existing numbers to them now. I used them 9-10 years ago and they were great to work with! IKANO bought them out since then, but they still operate under DialupUSA.net. They have DSL and T1 options too.
The ISP I consult to uses an outsource dial service (don't remember which one). They require us to maintain a RADIUS server accessible from the public internet, to validate callers and handle options and restrictions. You probably have a RADIUS server already, but you may need to make minor (but tedious) modifications.
Factor that into your planning.
Don't forget about this bug: Uptime bug is referenced in UTStarcom documentation as AnswerID 3497; ============= If you are experiencing poor performance and / or operational slowdown on your network of the HiPer ARC card and the card uptime is over 400 days, please update the codebase to the following releases - 5.3.135 or better (for TCS 4.5) or 5.7.135 or better (for TCS 4.7). Previous versions of code will require a scheduled reboot every year to prevent problems such as: Random Packet Bus failure Management Bus failure of HiPer ARC reported by NMC Inability to ping the HiPer ARC card Various commands via telnet or console fail to complete on the HiPer ARC. ============= So I have reminder to myself to reboot the boxes every August. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Zekelman [mailto:clayton@MNSi.Net] Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:24 AM To: frnkblk@iname.com; willd@staff.gwi.net; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Dial Up Solutions 3Com TC here. 9 users online at the moment. Surprises me that it's that high. Last reboot on the HiperARC was 399 days ago. I almost forgot how to log on to the damned thing. At one time we had over 3000 DS0s worth of dialup capacity. At 09:37 AM 17/10/2015, frnkblk@iname.com wrote:
We're still using USR Robotics/3com TotalControls and were able to get some spare parts from our statewide telecom partner when they shut down their stuff. Most common problem we see now are fan failures, but we just cannabilize existing the fans out of a fan tray. The volume of calls are so low that there are no hours that no one is dialed in, and at most we see two people connected at one time.
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Will Duquette Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:29 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Dial Up Solutions
Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers?
At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult.
We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist?
What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers?
Thanks in advance
-- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
-- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409
I would highly suggest staying away from any type of voip (sip/iax/h323/h248) solution for anything that has to do with modems unless your qos is tight from a to z. It's a good way to go bald real fast lol.... my 2 cents. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / carlos@race.com / http://www.race.com ________________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Will Duquette <willd@staff.gwi.net> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 12:28 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Dial Up Solutions Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers? At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult. We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist? What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers? Thanks in advance -- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
Livingston/Lucent PortMaster 3. 48 ports over 2 T1 interfaces and 10baseT all in 3 RU. Supports RADIUS. We dumped our last boxes many years ago; you can probably find some at portmasters.com. Cheers. matthew black california state university, long beach -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Will Duquette Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 12:29 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Dial Up Solutions Does anyone have any suggestions on equipment for our ISP that is still supporting dial up customers? At the moment we are running 3Com Total Control 1000's but are running out of spare parts as we have failures. Given that this gear is so old trying to source spare parts is proving to be difficult. We do have access to an Cisco AS5200 but are looking for maybe a SIP based solution that could possibly run on our VM farm? Has anyone heard of anything like that or does it even exist? What kind of gear are you running if you still are supporting dial up customers? Thanks in advance -- Will Duquette GWI Network Systems Engineer www.gwi.net
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