RE: "If the roots and gTLDs are truly unwilling to help..." The cost of installing entirely new root hints files on every Internet-attached name server around the world is ridiculously large. It has nothing to do with willing. Perhaps, if the problem were defined in proper terms, and a solution involving moving, for example, .net or .org to the blackballed space were made to the registry/DNS owners, a discussion of real possible events could ensue. In the meantime, most of the discussion in this thread is wasted time and going to the wrong targets. - James R. Cutler, EDS 800 Tower Drive, Troy, MI 48098 1 248 265 7514 james.cutler@eds.com -----Original Message----- From: E.B. Dreger [mailto:eddy+public+spam@noc.everquick.net] Sent: 2003-03-10, Monday 6:23 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: scope of the 69/8 problem FS> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:41:56 -0500 FS> From: Frank Scalzo FS> Moving all root-servers WOULD fix the problem. Although I doubt FS> anyone is really going to be willing to make the news by causing FS> that much of an outage. I'm eager to see stats indicating how large the problem is. If the problem is this severe, it seems all the more wrong to let innocent third parties suffer due to what IP space was bestowed upon them. If the roots and gTLDs are truly unwilling to help, and a handful of entities can't cooperate, I have serious concerns why they have been handed responsibility for such a critical piece of infrastructure. I'd expect "it's too hard to be a good netizen" whining on other lists... but NANOG? Roots and TLDs? Perhaps this is an omen of the Internet yet to come. Oh joy. Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.