Re: Finding content in your job title
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:39:09 -0700 From: Jeroen van Aart <jeroen@mompl.net> To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Finding content in your job title
Lamar Owen wrote:
companies, Official Title is used to determine salary (or even whether you're an exempt employee or not). And the company's bylaws may invest particular
Unless I misread the laws regarding this, in CA at least you still have to earn ~$40/hr or more (it varies and last I read it was lowered a few $s) or more to be considered exempt, regardless of your job title
Actually, it doesn't matter how much you make per hour, the deciding factor between exempt and non-exempt is how many (if any) people you SUPERVISE. No supervision of others, then non-exempt. Now you and the employer may agree to some other definition, but that is between you and them. At my previous $DAY_JOB, a technicion who was classified as "exempt" took $EMPLOYER to court over back pay, overtime, lunch breaks, et al and WON. (He had no direct reports...) Regards, Gregory Hicks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer | Direct: 408.569.7928 People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf -- George Orwell The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. -- Thomas Jefferson "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton
On Apr 7, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Gregory Hicks wrote:
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:39:09 -0700 From: Jeroen van Aart <jeroen@mompl.net> To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Finding content in your job title
Lamar Owen wrote:
companies, Official Title is used to determine salary (or even whether you're an exempt employee or not). And the company's bylaws may invest particular
Unless I misread the laws regarding this, in CA at least you still have to earn ~$40/hr or more (it varies and last I read it was lowered a few $s) or more to be considered exempt, regardless of your job title
Actually, it doesn't matter how much you make per hour, the deciding factor between exempt and non-exempt is how many (if any) people you SUPERVISE. No supervision of others, then non-exempt.
That is not entirely correct. The actual text of the law, IIRC, reads to the effect of "Work which is primarily intellectual or managerial in nature..." In other words, if you are management _OR_ some form of technical professional. Most of the technical individual contributors I know that are in the 6-figure realm are exempt. You can find California Guidance on this matter here: http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_OvertimeExemptions.htm More information is available here: http://www.management-advantage.com/products/overtime-exempt.html For further information, refer to the California Labor Code, near section 515. (515.5 applies to this industry) Other states may vary. Owen
On 4/7/2010 17:45, Gregory Hicks wrote:
Actually, it doesn't matter how much you make per hour, the deciding factor between exempt and non-exempt is how many (if any) people you SUPERVISE. No supervision of others, then non-exempt.
I don't think that is correct. "Professionals" do not supervise people but if the substantial control their own activities and make above a certain level in total compensation, they may be exempt.
Now you and the employer may agree to some other definition, but that is between you and them.
At my previous $DAY_JOB, a technicion who was classified as "exempt" took $EMPLOYER to court over back pay, overtime, lunch breaks, et al and WON. (He had no direct reports...)
He probably failed the compensation test, or more likely, did not control his own activities. -- Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml
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