As another member of the IIX, I just wanna chime in...It's nice to be able to exchange traffic without MFS. ;-) Reid At 07:42 AM 10/6/98 -0400, alex@nac.net wrote:

The NY-IIX is beginning to become interesting, hosted by Telehouse at 25 Broadway.

10.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer nyiix1.wisper.net 11.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer iix-1.router.demon.net 12.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer iix.lightning.net 13.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer e1.nyc1gw1.us.insnet.net 14.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer nyc-2.nildram.net 15.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer IIX.TELEHOUSE1.NEW-YORK.NET 16.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer mori-e3.newyork.wirehub.net 17.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer gs0709-e0-0.tel.usa.quza.net 18.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer f1-1.gw3.nyc.globecomm.net 19.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer core0.nyiix.int-core.us.ipf.net 20.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer nac-nyiix-10Mb.nac.net 21.160.32.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer

fddi-00.nyiix.us.internetfci.net

Lots of Euro-stuff.

On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Brian Horvitz wrote:

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Just curious to know who's exchanging traffic at MAE NY? If I am to believe what I see at www.mae.net, there's only two networks connected there, which would make it a pretty ineffective exchange point. With Pennsauken closed to new connections (anyone got extra rack space there?), I'd like to investigate an alternative for that area.

Brian

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Really? core1.nyc>sho env all Temperature readings: chassis inlet measured at 26C/78F chassis outlet 1 measured at 28C/82F chassis outlet 2 measured at 35C/95F chassis outlet 3 measured at 44C/111F 78F in my cabinet in the inlet seems reasonable to me. Even my AGS is happy: nyc7>sho env Environmental controller firmware version 2.0 Serial number is 00230621, calibrated on 6-21-91, by technician jj Internal temperature measured 25.4(C), shuts down at 43.0(C) On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Randy Bush wrote:

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As another member of the IIX, I just wanna chime in...It's nice to be able to exchange traffic without MFS. ;-)

what's really nice is that they maintain mfs's high temperature standards too. :-(

randy

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NY Telehouse. RSP(4) 23C/73F 37C/98F 45C/113F Mae East 8100 Boone chassis inlet measured at 29C/84F Telehouse, london, docklands RSP(4) 23C/73F 35C/95F 44C/111F Telehouse, london, city RSP(4) 26C/78F 38C/100F 46C/114F Telehouse, Paris chassis inlet measured at 22C/71F Mae Frankfurt chassis inlet measured at 20C/68F Frankfurt, DECIX chassis inlet measured at 26C/78F Amsterdam, Nikhef chassis inlet measured at 26C/78F Ive got bored now ;-) (and theres only 4700 at the other euro peering points currently) Looks like a MFS MAE wins for me. Alex, you seem to be by an airconditioner outlet in Newyork - Can we put a duct between our racks ;-) R In a previous message Alex Bligh wrote:

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core1.nyc>sho env all

Temperature readings: chassis inlet measured at 26C/78F

78F in my cabinet in the inlet seems reasonable to me.

Well seeing as we're playing this game:

newyork1>show env all ... card inlet hotpoint exhaust RSP(2) 15C/59F 19C/66F 18C/64F

Brrrr...

mae-east1>show env all ... card inlet hotpoint exhaust RSP(2) 23C/73F 30C/86F 28C/82F

Make a fuss, and ...

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I think that Rich merely wants to have a monopoly of the AC in the room. Well you can't have our air! alex@nac.net wrote:

Do you realise the A/C is pumped through the floor? Is your cabinet allowing airflow bottom to top? Is there a hole in the floor tile under you?

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Looks like a MFS MAE wins for me. Alex, you seem to be by an airconditioner outlet in Newyork - Can we put a duct between our racks ;-)

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I've had really good luck with a very large hole underneath the cabinet and a several hundred CFM fan at the top. Telehouse has good underfloor pressure so the larger the hole the better for the cabinet. I haven't had good luck putting vented tiles behind - most of our equipment vents front to rear inside the cabinets. My routers are very happy with the large holes though: card inlet hotpoint exhaust RSP(2) 18C/64F 23C/73F 21C/69F Although after seeing the rats nest of wires in some of the cabinets I've seen over the years it's no wonder there are hotspots - nowhere for the air to go. ;) -Geoff At 08:10 PM 10/6/98 -0400, TTSG wrote:

Also make sure that there is a "vented tile" inback of your cabinets. Not every one I see there does. Just put in a work order to the CAC and they'll put them behind your cabinet. This should help with the air flow around the cabinet so the air pumped out has somewhere to go (Or help blow into the back vents)

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Well, I'm more than happy to avoid it altogether but, I want to have three NAPs in my future, not just two. Unless of course, we can all get over the "I'll peer at three NAPs or not at all" mentality

i should not speak for others, but i think that being at both coasts, with sufficient bandwidth between to handle the potatoes, is more important than at how many points one is present. most peers just don't want to haul your traffic across the country on their nickel.

no Randy, that's not directed at you

hey, we're peering slu..., ooops, have enriched peering. :-) randy

I should certainly agree. But, having been through this before, I know I have to deal with silly policies which don't apply to all situations. My traffic is entirely NE regional right now.

i very much doubt this. your traffic is world-wide. the people who pay you just happen to be only in the US NE. and this mis-conception is the basis of your problem.

I think I'm being a hell of a sport by delivering it down to say MAE East and AADS or something like that. When I have that established, and someone then comes back and tells me that they won't peer just because I don't have a West coast presence, I think that's rediculous.

the counter-argument would go something like this so, you think it is fine for me to pay to carry your traffic across the country. then parallel logic says that we all should also think it fine if you pay to carry our traffic across the country. please install a cross- country link and peer on both coasts. this is called hot potato, and is the general practice. check the meaning of 'peer' in the dictionary. i suspect that the airlines do not consider you 'a heck of a sport' because you drove to the airport, and are 'ridiculous' enough to want to charge you for a plane ticket to san francisco. randy

I guess the way people respond to this sort of thing depends on their motivations. Since I'm in the business of providing a service, I want to provide the best service possible to my customers. So, let's look at my customer who wants to send a packet to your network. Right now, it leaves my network, travels over one of the super-mega-conglomo backbone providers which I'm connected to, and then gets to your network. Now, if in the interest of bettering that, I throw a couple of T3s in to the NAPs I can get to, and directly peer with your network in those places, we all of a sudden have greatly increased performance in both directions. Thus, I have happier customers. Now since on my network, inbound and outbound traffic are almost the same, your customers should also enjoy the same increased performance as mine.

only one problem. i am paying more than you. clearly this does not disturb you. so, tell you what, you can meet folk at both coasts or pay your upstream to get to them, and then we're all equal. tanstaafl. randy