From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfeeny@mac.com]
So who is going to be the first to deploy these?
http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html
- Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes
If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine!
Brian
The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like "Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds?" LOL
Forget Linksys: Didn't Peter Lothberg's mom have a CRS1 in her basement already? :-) She said it was great for drying her clothes. If she gets the CRS-3, will she be able to dry her clothes even faster? On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote:
The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like "Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds?" LOL
On 3/9/2010 11:54 AM, David Hubbard wrote:
From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfeeny@mac.com]
So who is going to be the first to deploy these?
http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html
- Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes
If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine!
Brian The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like "Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds?" LOL
LOL! Wow that is a pretty sad comment...... But back to the CRS-3, just wow!!!
Subject: RE: CRS-3 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:54:16 -0500 From: dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfeeny@mac.com]
So who is going to be the first to deploy these?
http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html
- Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes
If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine!
Brian
The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like "Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds?" LOL
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Brandon Kim wrote:
LOL! Wow that is a pretty sad comment......
But back to the CRS-3, just wow!!!
Wow what? Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_? If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per slot, and pre-release equipment is in use in some networks already. The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?" -- TTFN, patrick
Subject: RE: CRS-3 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:54:16 -0500 From: dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfeeny@mac.com]
So who is going to be the first to deploy these?
http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_030910.html
- Download the entire Library of Congress in just over 1 second - Stream every motion picture ever created in less than four minutes
If nothing else you gotta love the Cisco Marketing machine!
Brian
The article about this in the tech section on CNN already has comments in it like "Oh, well Cisco owns Linksys and I have a Linksys router so will my ISP be updating me to the CRS-3 so I can download at those speeds?" LOL
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco. -- /*=================[ Jake Khuon <khuon@NEEBU.Net> ]=================+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers /| / [~ [~ |) | | -------- | | for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation / |/ [_ [_ |) |_| NETWORKS | +==================================================================*/
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco.
Then why bother hyping at all? Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors. -- TTFN, patrick
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 05:02:01PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco.
Then why bother hyping at all?
Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors.
Lots of people who don't will use this as a reason to convince themselves that Cisco is still miles ahead of the competition. After all, $COMPEDITOR isn't hyping their 322 Tbp/s gear.
-- TTFN, patrick
-- --
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:02 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco.
Then why bother hyping at all?
Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors.
Come now. You know the answer to that. While technically true, by that logic, Cisco should never perform any press releases. -- /*=================[ Jake Khuon <khuon@NEEBU.Net> ]=================+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers /| / [~ [~ |) | | -------- | | for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation / |/ [_ [_ |) |_| NETWORKS | +==================================================================*/
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any errors. On Mar 9, 2010, at 17:31, Jake Khuon <khuon@neebu.net> wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:02 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco.
Then why bother hyping at all?
Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors.
Come now. You know the answer to that. While technically true, by that logic, Cisco should never perform any press releases.
First, this wasn't a press release, this was an event they were hyping for quite a while. Second, doing a press release is fine, but even the most aggressive companies have a modicum of truth in their releases. If they said "look at our cool new router", one could overlook obvious marketing BS like comparing to the T640 instead of the T1600. But claiming to "revolutionize" the Internet while being afraid to compare yourself to your chief competitor's flagship product is just pathetic. -- TTFN, patrick
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 18:45 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any errors.
On Mar 9, 2010, at 17:31, Jake Khuon <khuon@neebu.net> wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:02 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco.
Then why bother hyping at all?
Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors.
Come now. You know the answer to that. While technically true, by that logic, Cisco should never perform any press releases.
First, this wasn't a press release, this was an event they were hyping for quite a while. Second, doing a press release is fine, but even the most aggressive companies have a modicum of truth in their releases.
If they said "look at our cool new router", one could overlook obvious marketing BS like comparing to the T640 instead of the T1600. But claiming to "revolutionize" the Internet while being afraid to compare yourself to your chief competitor's flagship product is just pathetic.
Again, that may be true but I think you give marketing in general more credit for credibility than actually exists. Pathetic or not, it happens and some people don't actually see it for the blatant undertruth that it is... especially those who have been blinded by the Cisco "light". We in this industry often forget that not everyone looks for dotted T's and crossed I's when it comes to detail. For whatever reason, most people don't directly challenge the spindoctors. -- /*=================[ Jake Khuon <khuon@NEEBU.Net> ]=================+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers /| / [~ [~ |) | | -------- | | for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation / |/ [_ [_ |) |_| NETWORKS | +==================================================================*/
Cisco did 100GE before, based upon the 802.3ba: http://www.10gea.org/100-ge-router-cisco-comcast.htm The 'wow' factor in this is news might be that these new linecards are nonblocking and will eventually support the final standard without hardware changes. Arjan -----Original Message----- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patrick@ianai.net] Sent: Tue 3/9/2010 11:02 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: CRS-3 On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco.
Then why bother hyping at all? Anyone who needs even a significant fraction of 322 Tbps is not going to ignore competitors. -- TTFN, patrick Internet communications are not secure; therefore, the integrity of this e-mail cannot be guaranteed following transmission on the Internet. This e-mail may contain confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail. Use of this e-mail by any person other than the addressee is strictly forbidden. This e-mail is believed to be free of any virus that might adversely affect the addressee's computer system; however, no responsibility is accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. All the preceding disclaimers also apply to any possible attachments to this e-mail.
No one ever got fired for buying Cisco? (This isn't true btw -- I know of people that did get fired for buying Cisco. Just saying...) J On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Jake Khuon wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:29 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
Because in some organisations, the only vendor that matters is Cisco.
-- Joel Esler http://blog.joelesler.net
Wow what?
Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_?
If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per slot, and pre-release equipment is in use in some networks already.
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
It's called doing the "wall street dance". Their stock price jumped 3% yesterday in anticipation of the "big" announcement. Hype is hype, and people still remember the magic of the dotcom bubble. "ZOMG! They increased the size of the tubez! BUY! BUY!" [full disclosure: I own stock in Cisco] Tom Walsh Express Web Systems, Inc.
Yes, and their stock price dipped today after the news release actually hit. So remember people, buy on rumor, sell on news. Brian On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Express Web Systems wrote:
Wow what?
Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_?
If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per slot, and pre-release equipment is in use in some networks already.
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
It's called doing the "wall street dance". Their stock price jumped 3% yesterday in anticipation of the "big" announcement. Hype is hype, and people still remember the magic of the dotcom bubble. "ZOMG! They increased the size of the tubez! BUY! BUY!"
[full disclosure: I own stock in Cisco]
Tom Walsh Express Web Systems, Inc.
It's called doing the "wall street dance". Their stock price jumped 3% yesterday in anticipation of the "big" announcement. Hype is hype, and people still remember the magic of the dotcom bubble. "ZOMG! They increased the size of the tubez! BUY! BUY!"
[full disclosure: I own stock in Cisco]
Tom Walsh Express Web Systems, Inc.
Actually it is called "defining a market". Cisco is doing for the small innovative companies something they could not do for themselves. Want to bet the "Wall St. Industry Experts" discover the "play" waiting to happen in some of these companies next and some money comes their way? Bruce
-- “Discovering...discovering...we will never cease discovering... and the end of all our discovering will be to return to the place where we began and to know it for the first time.” -T.S. Eliot
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Express Web Systems <mailinglists@expresswebsystems.com> wrote:
Wow what?
Is there anything in the CRS-3 that competitors are not shipping _today_?
If you look at some startups, they are doing 4-5 times as many Gbps per slot, and pre-release equipment is in use in some networks already.
The only "wow" here is "wow, why did cisco hype how far behind they are?"
It's called doing the "wall street dance". Their stock price jumped 3% yesterday in anticipation of the "big" announcement. Hype is hype, and people still remember the magic of the dotcom bubble. "ZOMG! They increased the size of the tubez! BUY! BUY!"
[full disclosure: I own stock in Cisco]
Tom Walsh Express Web Systems, Inc.
Actually it is called "defining a market". Cisco is doing for the small innovative companies something they could not do for themselves. Want to bet the "Wall St. Industry Experts" discover the "play" waiting to happen in some of these companies next and some money comes their way? Bruce -- “Discovering...discovering...we will never cease discovering... and the end of all our discovering will be to return to the place where we began and to know it for the first time.” -T.S. Eliot
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