On Wed, 06 June 2001, Toby_Williams@enron.net wrote:
What I find most interesting about all these disputes is that none of the major players appear to be even slightly interested in settled interconnection - like they have in the telephony world.
What I find interesting is the telephone world is now trying to end settlements, and move more to the Internet model. The end of reciprocal compensation, FCC forcing international settlements down, forcing access fees down, etc.
There was a paper I saw ages ago:
http://ksgwww.harvard.edu/iip/cai/farnon.html
that discussed some of the economics behind peering. Though it's a bit old now, many of it's arguments hold true (hence todays CW/PSI/MFN/UUNet conundrums). It also just begins to explore the possiblities (and difficulties) of billaterally settled peering.
Actually I sent e-mail to Scott and Maria yesterday asking about their paper. If they felt it still held true, or if the passage of time altered their perception. I remember there was also an economist from Michigan who wrote several papers about settlements and the Internet. I seem to recall he recently (i.e. last year) spoke about the fact the Internet wasn't behaving as some predicted. Instead of writing papers why the Internet must adopt settlements, I believe some economists are now writing papers why the Internet is still working without them. Settlements seem to work best when you have geographic monopolies or dupolies (e.g. regional bell telephone companies, regional pipelines, regional electric grids, regional train companies). And instead of building out your own infrastructure into a competitors region, you split the market into semi-exclusive franchises. Settlements don't seem to work when you have lots of competitors in the same market (e.g. airport rent-a-car companies). You don't see Hertz and Avis doing settlements and sharing the same fleet of cars depending who rents more cars each day. If we get to the point there are only 2-3 major ISPs in each geographic region of the globe, I would expect we would see more settlements (e.g. UUNET pays Telstra to delivery traffic in Australia, while Telstra pays UUNET to delivery traffic in the USA) based on some imaginary metric that is less than the cost of either of them invading the other's marketing region. Much like the RBOCs have split up the USA into SBC, Verizon, Qwest and Bellsouth.
On 6 Jun 2001, Sean Donelan wrote:
Much like the RBOCs have split up the USA into SBC, Verizon, Qwest and Bellsouth.
For the record, Ma Bell's territory was split following a court order. So now we have a group of smaller and more aggressive regional monopolies trying to somehow band together again and rule, while the ailing parent is voluntarily quartering and spinning off what's left of the old empire. If a telco executive named Nikita ever takes off his shoe, pounds on the conference table and shoults "We will bury you!", you better listen. They may have already dug the hole... --Mitch NetSide
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