WiFi courses/vendors recommendation
Good day all, We are looking forward to establish MetroWifi network as a new business line in our company, in addition to small/medium events Wifi coverage. I have two questions: 1. What are the required resources/material/training curriculum to let our engineers start educating in this? We are looking for the vendor-agnostic materials that will give our engineers the WiFi essentials/fundamentals to start building a good foundation before evolving to the professional level. 2. What vendors do you recommend? We need to find a cost-effective yet competent option with good pre/post sales service. Thanks, -- Abdullah Medhat
I don't have a vendor-agnostic answer for you on #1, but as far as a vendor - Ruckus Wireless. We are a partner who sells and deploys and the stuff is quite awesome for what you're looking for. I'd be happy to introduce you to relevant people over there for guidance. Regards, James Laszko Mythos Technology Inc jamesl@mythostech.com -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Abdullah Medhat Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:07 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: WiFi courses/vendors recommendation Good day all, We are looking forward to establish MetroWifi network as a new business line in our company, in addition to small/medium events Wifi coverage. I have two questions: 1. What are the required resources/material/training curriculum to let our engineers start educating in this? We are looking for the vendor-agnostic materials that will give our engineers the WiFi essentials/fundamentals to start building a good foundation before evolving to the professional level. 2. What vendors do you recommend? We need to find a cost-effective yet competent option with good pre/post sales service. Thanks, -- Abdullah Medhat
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, James Laszko <jamesl@mythostech.com> wrote:
I don't have a vendor-agnostic answer for you on #1, but as far as a vendor - Ruckus Wireless. We are a partner who sells and deploys and the stuff is quite awesome for what you're looking for. I'd be happy to introduce you to relevant people over there for guidance.
1) I have long thought about developing such course materials or working with the author (dave lang) of the wonderful scale2012 report to do so. If you find any good materials pre-existing please let me know also. I once gave a good intro talk on wifi subjects... ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wksh2DPHCDI ) As for 2) There are many vendors in the enterprise wifi space - cisco, ubnt, aruba, and meraki, to name a few more. Of these the only ones publicly acknowledging doing something about their wifi bufferbloat are cisco and meraki. (I realize you have plenty of other issues/features to look for, it's fixing that one happens to be my number #1 requirement these days)
Regards,
James Laszko Mythos Technology Inc jamesl@mythostech.com
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Abdullah Medhat Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:07 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: WiFi courses/vendors recommendation
Good day all,
We are looking forward to establish MetroWifi network as a new business line in our company, in addition to small/medium events Wifi coverage.
I have two questions: 1. What are the required resources/material/training curriculum to let our engineers start educating in this? We are looking for the vendor-agnostic materials that will give our engineers the WiFi essentials/fundamentals to start building a good foundation before evolving to the professional level.
2. What vendors do you recommend? We need to find a cost-effective yet competent option with good pre/post sales service.
Thanks,
--
Abdullah Medhat
-- Dave Täht What will it take to vastly improve wifi for everyone? https://plus.google.com/u/0/explore/makewififast
Ubiquiti Networks. Its cheap and it works great. Support sucks though. I use Ubuquiti gear for my wireless ISP and i use their UniFi APs for when i do events. If you need high density wireless, check out Xirrus Wireless access points, they are awesome. -Mike On May 31, 2015 3:30 PM, "James Laszko" <jamesl@mythostech.com> wrote:
I don't have a vendor-agnostic answer for you on #1, but as far as a vendor - Ruckus Wireless. We are a partner who sells and deploys and the stuff is quite awesome for what you're looking for. I'd be happy to introduce you to relevant people over there for guidance.
Regards,
James Laszko Mythos Technology Inc jamesl@mythostech.com
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Abdullah Medhat Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:07 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: WiFi courses/vendors recommendation
Good day all,
We are looking forward to establish MetroWifi network as a new business line in our company, in addition to small/medium events Wifi coverage.
I have two questions: 1. What are the required resources/material/training curriculum to let our engineers start educating in this? We are looking for the vendor-agnostic materials that will give our engineers the WiFi essentials/fundamentals to start building a good foundation before evolving to the professional level.
2. What vendors do you recommend? We need to find a cost-effective yet competent option with good pre/post sales service.
Thanks,
--
Abdullah Medhat
Fortinet has good products for wifi indoor. Not tested outdoor.
Le 1 juin 2015 à 00:43, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> a écrit :
Ubiquiti Networks.
Its cheap and it works great. Support sucks though.
I use Ubuquiti gear for my wireless ISP and i use their UniFi APs for when i do events.
If you need high density wireless, check out Xirrus Wireless access points, they are awesome.
-Mike
On May 31, 2015 3:30 PM, "James Laszko" <jamesl@mythostech.com> wrote:
I don't have a vendor-agnostic answer for you on #1, but as far as a vendor - Ruckus Wireless. We are a partner who sells and deploys and the stuff is quite awesome for what you're looking for. I'd be happy to introduce you to relevant people over there for guidance.
Regards,
James Laszko Mythos Technology Inc jamesl@mythostech.com
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Abdullah Medhat Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:07 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: WiFi courses/vendors recommendation
Good day all,
We are looking forward to establish MetroWifi network as a new business line in our company, in addition to small/medium events Wifi coverage.
I have two questions: 1. What are the required resources/material/training curriculum to let our engineers start educating in this? We are looking for the vendor-agnostic materials that will give our engineers the WiFi essentials/fundamentals to start building a good foundation before evolving to the professional level.
2. What vendors do you recommend? We need to find a cost-effective yet competent option with good pre/post sales service.
Thanks,
--
Abdullah Medhat
Doubt how much PoE you'd use for the MetroWifi stuff, but for the "small/medium events Wifi coverage":
Ubiquiti Networks.
Its cheap and it works great. Support sucks though.
Just watch it here if you're expecting to plug UniFi APs into standard 802.3af/at ports and get power. When I last interacted with them (customer equipment; year or two old, I believe) a lot of their WAPs are 24V, not 802.3af/at. -- Hugo
Just watch it here if you're expecting to plug UniFi APs into standard 802.3af/at ports and get power. When I last interacted with them (customer equipment; year or two old, I believe) a lot of their WAPs are 24V, not 802.3af/at.
The Pro and AC models are 802af/at. Only the “not Pro” (2.4 GHz only) model is passive 24V PoE but anyway it’s sh*t and not usable for any serious application. BR, Michel Luczak
They come from the outdoor WISP space, so most of their gear is 24v passive POE. However, they have multiple models of 802.3at/af switches now (up to 48 port), two routers with 24v/48v PoE output capability, and several UniFi APs that are either 802.3af or 802.3at. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/01/2015 09:23 AM, Hugo Slabbert wrote:
Doubt how much PoE you'd use for the MetroWifi stuff, but for the "small/medium events Wifi coverage":
Ubiquiti Networks.
Its cheap and it works great. Support sucks though.
Just watch it here if you're expecting to plug UniFi APs into standard 802.3af/at ports and get power. When I last interacted with them (customer equipment; year or two old, I believe) a lot of their WAPs are 24V, not 802.3af/at.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo@slabnet.com> wrote:
Doubt how much PoE you'd use for the MetroWifi stuff, but for the "small/medium events Wifi coverage":
Ubiquiti Networks.
Its cheap and it works great. Support sucks though.
Just watch it here if you're expecting to plug UniFi APs into standard 802.3af/at ports and get power. When I last interacted with them (customer equipment; year or two old, I believe) a lot of their WAPs are 24V, not 802.3af/at.
Only their UniFi AP & AP-LR are 24V, all the rest of their product line (AP-PRO, AP-AC as well as the outdoor units) are 802.3af or 802.3at compliant. You can easily overcome this limitation by using their 8-port ToughSwitch were each POE port can be configured to either 24V or 48V. IMHO Ubiquity's UniFi is a very decent solution when you want to keep budget low. - G.
With respect to vendor neutral training I would suggest starting with CWNP @ www.cwnp.com. They specialize in providing vendor-neutral Wi-Fi training and certification. Instructor led training is available via certified training partners. In addition, there are study guides available for purchase. CWTS (lvl 0) - Intro - terms & lingo CWNA (lvl 1) - Wi-Fi 101 CWSP (lvl 2) - Wi-Fi Security CWDP (lvl 2) - Wi-Fi Design CWAP (lvl2) - Wi-Fi Protocol Analysis CWNE (lvl3).... I recommend completing some or all the CWNP training to understand how Wi-Fi works. Once you understand how Wi-Fi works, you'll know how to design and configure a network to meet your design goals. Next, complement your vendor neutral training with applicable vendor specific training to understand their interface and specific nuances. Moving to another vendor is just a matter of learning where the nerd knobs are for configuring their product as you'll already know the fundamentals of Wi-Fi. Kindest regards, Troy -- *Troy Martin* | M 403.966.4370 On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:18 AM, George Tasioulis <george.tasioulis@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo@slabnet.com> wrote:
Doubt how much PoE you'd use for the MetroWifi stuff, but for the "small/medium events Wifi coverage":
Ubiquiti Networks.
Its cheap and it works great. Support sucks though.
Just watch it here if you're expecting to plug UniFi APs into standard 802.3af/at ports and get power. When I last interacted with them (customer equipment; year or two old, I believe) a lot of their WAPs are 24V, not 802.3af/at.
Only their UniFi AP & AP-LR are 24V, all the rest of their product line (AP-PRO, AP-AC as well as the outdoor units) are 802.3af or 802.3at compliant. You can easily overcome this limitation by using their 8-port ToughSwitch were each POE port can be configured to either 24V or 48V. IMHO Ubiquity's UniFi is a very decent solution when you want to keep budget low.
- G.
If he's wanting to make a "metro/muni/variousterm" "wireless" network though, he's very likely not going to be using "Wi-Fi" at all. Sure, many of the products may have a WiFi PHY layer, but for outdoor PtMP environments you're talking TDMA, not CSMA. He would be better served by some RF Engineering and vendor specific courses, IMO. (Just my $0.02 as having spent quite a bit of time in the WISP industry, who has watched these "metro/muni/variousterm" networks die over and over and over again.) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/02/2015 05:06 PM, labguy@gmail.com wrote:
With respect to vendor neutral training I would suggest starting with CWNP @ www.cwnp.com.
They specialize in providing vendor-neutral Wi-Fi training and certification. Instructor led training is available via certified training partners. In addition, there are study guides available for purchase. CWTS (lvl 0) - Intro - terms & lingo CWNA (lvl 1) - Wi-Fi 101 CWSP (lvl 2) - Wi-Fi Security CWDP (lvl 2) - Wi-Fi Design CWAP (lvl2) - Wi-Fi Protocol Analysis CWNE (lvl3)....
I recommend completing some or all the CWNP training to understand how Wi-Fi works. Once you understand how Wi-Fi works, you'll know how to design and configure a network to meet your design goals. Next, complement your vendor neutral training with applicable vendor specific training to understand their interface and specific nuances. Moving to another vendor is just a matter of learning where the nerd knobs are for configuring their product as you'll already know the fundamentals of Wi-Fi.
Kindest regards, Troy
-- *Troy Martin* | M 403.966.4370
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:18 AM, George Tasioulis <george.tasioulis@gmail.com
wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo@slabnet.com> wrote:
Doubt how much PoE you'd use for the MetroWifi stuff, but for the "small/medium events Wifi coverage":
Ubiquiti Networks.
Its cheap and it works great. Support sucks though.
Just watch it here if you're expecting to plug UniFi APs into standard 802.3af/at ports and get power. When I last interacted with them (customer equipment; year or two old, I believe) a lot of their WAPs are 24V, not 802.3af/at.
Only their UniFi AP & AP-LR are 24V, all the rest of their product line (AP-PRO, AP-AC as well as the outdoor units) are 802.3af or 802.3at compliant. You can easily overcome this limitation by using their 8-port ToughSwitch were each POE port can be configured to either 24V or 48V. IMHO Ubiquity's UniFi is a very decent solution when you want to keep budget low.
- G.
+1 for CWNP courses. The CWNA and CWDP cover RF quite well too.... you'll pick up most of what's needed. ..imho most of the vendor specific courses only benefit is to tell you how to manage their control plane. Which button to click on the interface etc ;) alan
On 31 May 2015 at 23:28, James Laszko <jamesl@mythostech.com> wrote:
I don't have a vendor-agnostic answer for you on #1, but as far as a vendor - Ruckus Wireless.
+1 for Ruckus, I have worked with a Ruckus partner in the UK I can recommend if anyone needs one. The Ruckus tin is great having seen it to believe it. The roaming AP stuff works great. James.
Wi-Fi is a unique space especially outdoors as it is an unlicensed spectrum. I would suggest looking for an engineer with at least 7 years of field experience along with a strong networking background. The training will only show you how to configure gear and teach perfect world theory. We all know real world isn't that way. Jermaine -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Bensley Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 04:25 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: WiFi courses/vendors recommendation On 31 May 2015 at 23:28, James Laszko <jamesl@mythostech.com> wrote:
I don't have a vendor-agnostic answer for you on #1, but as far as a vendor - Ruckus Wireless.
+1 for Ruckus, I have worked with a Ruckus partner in the UK I can recommend if anyone needs one. The Ruckus tin is great having seen it to believe it. The roaming AP stuff works great. James.
That "7 year" requirement is the most off the wall statement. Do you work in HR? :) How about "find somebody with experience, ideally somebody who's done high-level work for a W/ISP". Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/01/2015 08:29 AM, Edwards, Jermaine wrote:
Wi-Fi is a unique space especially outdoors as it is an unlicensed spectrum. I would suggest looking for an engineer with at least 7 years of field experience along with a strong networking background. The training will only show you how to configure gear and teach perfect world theory. We all know real world isn't that way.
Jermaine
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Bensley Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 04:25 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: WiFi courses/vendors recommendation
On 31 May 2015 at 23:28, James Laszko <jamesl@mythostech.com> wrote:
I don't have a vendor-agnostic answer for you on #1, but as far as a vendor - Ruckus Wireless. +1 for Ruckus, I have worked with a Ruckus partner in the UK I can recommend if anyone needs one. The Ruckus tin is great having seen it to believe it. The roaming AP stuff works great.
James.
You may want to check out iBwave. They do training as well. Ilissa Miller
On May 31, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Abdullah Medhat <abdullah.medhat.salah@gmail.com> wrote:
Good day all,
We are looking forward to establish MetroWifi network as a new business line in our company, in addition to small/medium events Wifi coverage.
I have two questions: 1. What are the required resources/material/training curriculum to let our engineers start educating in this? We are looking for the vendor-agnostic materials that will give our engineers the WiFi essentials/fundamentals to start building a good foundation before evolving to the professional level.
2. What vendors do you recommend? We need to find a cost-effective yet competent option with good pre/post sales service.
Thanks,
--
Abdullah Medhat
participants (14)
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Abdullah Medhat -
Alan Buxey -
Dave Taht -
Edwards, Jermaine -
George Tasioulis -
Guillaume Tournat -
Hugo Slabbert -
Ilissa Miller -
James Bensley -
James Laszko -
Josh Reynolds -
labguy＠gmail.com -
Michel Luczak -
Mike Lyon