re: the original thirteen NSFNET regionals
Does anyone remember the NSF-sponsored regional networks? Can you fix this table--this is off the top of my head so I am missing a few networks.
Does NSI (NASA Science Internet) qualify as one of those? Yeah, it was 1989 when it started (Hi Milo!), but ... :)
Name Region NOC was or is at Now
BARRnet Bay Area Stanford? Berkeley? BBN WR ^SU then E. Bayshore Rd., Palo Alto
The "NOC" (cough) was in Pine Hall at Stanford next to long-timer Ron Roberts office. After the BBN buyout, NOC duties were officially given to BBN Cambridge, somewhat bypassing the E. Bayshore/Palo Alto NOC office. The western region NOC was supposed to open up (under the capable hands of Chris Tsuboi, now with @Home), but time factors never gave Chris the chance before his departure from BBN-WR. All calls went to Cambridge and were referred to Chris as needed. The NOC office is/was still there as a showcase to visitors in the large conference room. And ...
Network Contact in 1990, where are they now?
BARRNET Paul Baer
NEARNET John Rugo
Paul Baer was part of the original BARRNet admin staff when William "Bill" Yundt got the ball rolling. Paul came over to BBN after the buyout on a consultant basis, but I don't know if he has stayed on at this present day. Bill Yundt also came over to the BBN side, then went onward with Web TV Networks. John Rugo was running NEARNet when he was asked to run BARRNet after the buyout. After a 2-3 year stint in that position, he went on to be on the senior management team at Cisco in their then new ISP group. The only people left from the original BARRNet at BBN-WR is Vince Fuller and Bill Yundt's admin, Nora Lundin. rob.
SURAnet South East US Washington DC BBN SER (Maryland Suburbs) Technecal contact was Erick Sherk I beleve, last I heard he was at UUnet. James Lang, Former SURAnet NOC monkey and member of the BBN Smarties Ticket team ;) On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Rob Gutierrez wrote:
Does anyone remember the NSF-sponsored regional networks? Can you fix this table--this is off the top of my head so I am missing a few networks.
Does NSI (NASA Science Internet) qualify as one of those? Yeah, it was 1989 when it started (Hi Milo!), but ... :)
Name Region NOC was or is at Now
BARRnet Bay Area Stanford? Berkeley? BBN WR ^SU then E. Bayshore Rd., Palo Alto
The "NOC" (cough) was in Pine Hall at Stanford next to long-timer Ron Roberts office. After the BBN buyout, NOC duties were officially given to BBN Cambridge, somewhat bypassing the E. Bayshore/Palo Alto NOC office. The western region NOC was supposed to open up (under the capable hands of Chris Tsuboi, now with @Home), but time factors never gave Chris the chance before his departure from BBN-WR. All calls went to Cambridge and were referred to Chris as needed. The NOC office is/was still there as a showcase to visitors in the large conference room.
And ...
Network Contact in 1990, where are they now?
BARRNET Paul Baer
NEARNET John Rugo
Paul Baer was part of the original BARRNet admin staff when William "Bill" Yundt got the ball rolling. Paul came over to BBN after the buyout on a consultant basis, but I don't know if he has stayed on at this present day. Bill Yundt also came over to the BBN side, then went onward with Web TV Networks.
John Rugo was running NEARNet when he was asked to run BARRNet after the buyout. After a 2-3 year stint in that position, he went on to be on the senior management team at Cisco in their then new ISP group.
The only people left from the original BARRNet at BBN-WR is Vince Fuller and Bill Yundt's admin, Nora Lundin.
rob.
Rob Gutierrez wrote:
Does NSI (NASA Science Internet) qualify as one of those? Yeah, it was 1989 when it started (Hi Milo!), but ... :)
Where is Milo Medin nowadays.. ? -- miguel a.l. paraz <map@iphil.net> +63-2-893-0850 iphil communications, makati city, philippines <http://www.iphil.net>
Milo's @Home paul On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Miguel A.L. Paraz wrote:
Rob Gutierrez wrote:
Does NSI (NASA Science Internet) qualify as one of those? Yeah, it was 1989 when it started (Hi Milo!), but ... :)
Where is Milo Medin nowadays.. ?
-- miguel a.l. paraz <map@iphil.net> +63-2-893-0850 iphil communications, makati city, philippines <http://www.iphil.net>
From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" <map@iphil.net> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:16:01 +0800 (HKT) Sender: owner-nanog@merit.edu
Rob Gutierrez wrote:
Does NSI (NASA Science Internet) qualify as one of those? Yeah, it was 1989 when it started (Hi Milo!), but ... :)
Not really. Both NSI and ESnet backbones pre-date the NSF regionals and received no NSF funding, being funded by NASA and the Department of Energy, respectively. These were established as national backbones, independent of the NSFnet though both did peer with the NSFnet at FIX-East (at UMD and later at SURAnet) and FIX-West (at NASA-Ames). Milo was largely responsible for the FIX design which was the pre-cursor in many ways to the current MAE design and both locations were connected to the MAEs. It might be noted that both NASA and ESnet were originally primarily DECnet networks as they pre-date IP development by a little bit. They also, in there early forms (SPAN, HEPnet, and MFEnet) predate the NSFnet. FIX-West is still in business while FIX-East is being dismantled as I type as BBN Planet is moving out of the old SURAnet facility.
Where is Milo Medin nowadays.. ?
Milo is busily trying to engineer the network of is dreams at @home. I believe he is VP of Network Engineering or some such. He was one of @home's original executives. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634
From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" <map@iphil.net> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:16:01 +0800 (HKT) Sender: owner-nanog@merit.edu
Rob Gutierrez wrote:
Does NSI (NASA Science Internet) qualify as one of those? Yeah, it was 1989 when it started (Hi Milo!), but ... :)
Not really. Both NSI and ESnet backbones pre-date the NSF regionals and received no NSF funding, being funded by NASA and the Department of Energy, respectively. These were established as national backbones, independent of the NSFnet though both did peer with the NSFnet at FIX-East (at UMD and later at SURAnet) and FIX-West (at NASA-Ames). Milo was largely responsible for the FIX design which was the pre-cursor in many ways to the current MAE design and both locations were connected to the MAEs.
It might be noted that both NASA and ESnet were originally primarily DECnet networks as they pre-date IP development by a little bit. They also, in there early forms (SPAN, HEPnet, and MFEnet) predate the NSFnet.
FIX-West is still in business while FIX-East is being dismantled as I type as BBN Planet is moving out of the old SURAnet facility.
Yea, I was in the old NOC on friday and wrote a large ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ | SURAnet | | '86-'95 | | RIP | | | ------------- Of course, I had to cross out the 'RIP' and write 'ISIS' :-) Erik
At 07:36 AM 6/5/97 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
It might be noted that both NASA and ESnet were originally primarily DECnet networks as they pre-date IP development by a little bit. They also, in there early forms (SPAN, HEPnet, and MFEnet) predate the NSFnet.
It's also worth noting that DECNET was a leading contender for the NSFNET. Sid Karin, director of SDSC, tells the story that he was leaning toward DECNET until he met a taciturn Teutonic network engineer from Ann Arbor who convinced Sid among others that a TCP/IP backbone would work. --Kent
It's also worth noting that DECNET was a leading contender for the NSFNET. Sid Karin, director of SDSC, tells the story that he was leaning toward DECNET until he met a taciturn Teutonic network engineer from Ann Arbor who convinced Sid among others that a TCP/IP backbone would work.
You actually do not quite have your story right. Sid used MFENET (Magnetic Fusion Energy) protocols for the SDSCnet (SDSC consortium) satellite network initially. I was also the networking person at the University of Michigan responsible for the UMichigan-SDSCnet connection (with MFENET protocols) at that time (besides other responsibilities). It did work, and SDSC continued to use it despite the NSFNET using IP. Over time SDSC phased MFENET out and IP in, but besides the reponsibility of the taciturn Teutonic network engineer from Ann Arbor for the NSFNET, I don't think he had much to do with the phaseout of the MFENET usage at SDSC. Sid still claims that he is proud of both his MFENET decision as well as the decision to phase it out, as time moved on.
It might be noted that both NASA and ESnet were originally primarily DECnet networks as they pre-date IP development by a little bit. They also, in there early forms (SPAN, HEPnet, and MFEnet) predate the NSFnet.
Yes, just like users of smoke signals and telegraphs eventually converted to using the telephone. Only a question of how far you want to go back. Not to discredit SPAN, HEPnet, and MFEnet (or Bitnet or UUnet for that matter), but at that time when actually GOSIP (TP4/CLNP) was the officially mandated way to go, it was actually pretty gutsy of Dennis Jennings at NSF and then Steve Wolff to go for and continue to use IP. If it weren't for them, chances are that CLNP would have won (with us having as much lesser control as we would have lesser addressing issues now). Even DECNET Phase V was heading towards a CLNP solution.
Milo is at @Home Network. From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" <map@iphil.net> Subject: Re: the original thirteen NSFNET regionals Rob Gutierrez wrote: > Does NSI (NASA Science Internet) qualify as one of those? Yeah, it was > 1989 when it started (Hi Milo!), but ... :) Where is Milo Medin nowadays.. ? -- miguel a.l. paraz <map@iphil.net> +63-2-893-0850 iphil communications, makati city, philippines <http://www.iphil.net>
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