Internet Architecture Diagram - Comments Please
Hello all, I have just completed my initial creation of an "Internet Architecture : Meta Diagram" ( http://navigators.com/internet_architecture.html ) My Intention with this page is to answer the Question: "What are the major pieces of the Internet, and who are the major players in each segment?" I have created a "very tall diagram" with 8 sections, covering the connection from a Users's PC -> local Loop -> ISP POP - > Backbones -> online content -> etc. In each section, I hope to mention most of the significant parts of the architecture. I also link to the top couple of vendors in each category, and then link to a more extensive list of vendors. What I am looking for is a sanity check of the diagram, and most importantly, your opinion as to who are the largest 3-4 vendors in each section. I recognize that the diagram is US-centric and contains some leading edge components as well (LMDS, cable modems, etc) I am continuing to refine the page, so any feedback you provide should be incorporated almost immediately. Thanks in advance. Russ Haynal http://navigators.com/internet_architecture.html ____________________________________________________________________ Russ Haynal - Internet Consultant, Instructor, Speaker "Helping organizations gain the most benefit from the Internet" russ@navigators.com http://navigators.com 703-729-1757 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Author:"Internet; A Knowledge Odyssey" (Top-rated CD-ROM Tutorial) See MindQ Publishing- http://www.mindq.com/cdt/company/products.html
( http://navigators.com/internet_architecture.html )
My Intention with this page is to answer the Question: "What are the major pieces of the Internet, and who are the major players in each segment?"
I have created a "very tall diagram" with 8 sections, covering the connection from a Users's PC -> local Loop -> ISP POP - > Backbones -> online content -> etc.
And it has no routers in the network diagrams. What a tremendous savings! Welcome to the new internet. No wonder users are confused. <sigh> randy
At 06:34 AM 3/18/98 -0800, Randy Bush wrote:
And it has no routers in the network diagrams. What a tremendous savings!
??? - huh? Are we looking at the same Diagram? Under "User's Communications Equipment": Item 8 = Routers Under "ISP Backbone" : Diagram points to "Large Capacity Switches and Routers" : Item 3 = routers I do recognize that there are additional details that could be added in some places, but I am trying to follow a 90/10 rule in order to fit the diagram within the limits of a web page (and my limited artistic abilities) I've tried to segment "the Internet" diagram based on the function being performed (i.e. local loop transport, content hosting, etc) I have not yet thought a better approach to try and provide a "big picture" Believe me, If I discovered an existing online resource that did this well, I would just have linked to it for my Internet classes. Having not found such a resource, I took it upon myself to go ahead and create one for my clients (The rest of the Internet is free to use it as well) It is not clear to me where you see a deficiency WRT Routers - I remain interested in specific suggestions to improve the page. For example, someone pointed out that I mention ATM but not Sonet. Russ
And it has no routers in the network diagrams. What a tremendous savings!
??? - huh? Are we looking at the same Diagram?
No. You are not looking at the DIAGRAM.
I do recognize that there are additional details that could be added in some places, but I am trying to follow a 90/10 rule in order to fit the diagram within the limits of a web page (and my limited artistic abilities)
When the 90/10 rule leaves routers out of internet architecture, the posting does not belong on nanog. I leave it to others to judge where it might belong. randy
At 9:34 AM -0500 3/18/98, Randy Bush wrote:
( http://navigators.com/internet_architecture.html )
My Intention with this page is to answer the Question: "What are the major pieces of the Internet, and who are the major players in each segment?"
I have created a "very tall diagram" with 8 sections, covering the connection from a Users's PC -> local Loop -> ISP POP - > Backbones -> online content -> etc.
And it has no routers in the network diagrams. What a tremendous savings!
There pretty clearly *are* routers in the diagram. Those would be those little blue and green interconnected dots. You can tell by the "Large Capacity Routers and Switches" label. Perhaps you didn't see the same diagram I saw. I might suggest that more detail on the variation of the corporate network could be helpful. Internal networks of large corporations like Hitachi (7th largest corporation in the world) are many times more complicated than even large ISP interconnects. I find this is the biggest problem that most people I talk to have. They understand a dialup connection. They understand an ethernet. They don't understand that the technology to scale their company from 5 to 50 to 300 to 10,000 is much different from one scale to another. They mainly don't understand the scaling issues.
Welcome to the new internet. No wonder users are confused.
People are confused when they look quickly, don't grasp all the details, and then flame. Ready, fire, aim. Doesn't matter how good the diagram is, you apparently can't avoid the fact that people will not look at it before offering their opinion to others. Anyway, I think it looks like a pretty reasonable diagram. If all end users (and some network engineers) understood that much, I think we would have made great progress. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 08:49:58PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
Welcome to the new internet. No wonder users are confused.
People are confused when they look quickly, don't grasp all the details, and then flame. Ready, fire, aim. Doesn't matter how good the diagram is, you apparently can't avoid the fact that people will not look at it before offering their opinion to others.
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On Monday 16 March, "Russ Haynal http://navigators.com ." <russ@navigators.com> writes:
Hello all,
I have just completed my initial creation of an "Internet Architecture : Meta Diagram" ( http://navigators.com/internet_architecture.html )
Well, as a lurker on this list, (no more !) let me say that the diagram made a nice conceptual, and contextual, grouping for a useful set of links on the right hand side. I found lots of good stuff the other side of the links. Good job, there. Cheers, Andy!
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