automatic / intelligent fiber optic patch panel (iow SDN @ layer 0)
I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent fibre optic patch panel. I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for something which does the patching instead of a technician. TIA Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
http://www.laser2000.de/out/media/glimmerglass_system_100%281%29.pdf On 10.12.2014 10:21, Arnold Nipper wrote:
I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent fibre optic patch panel.
I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for something which does the patching instead of a technician.
TIA Arnold
Am 2014-12-10 00:36, schrieb Andrew Jones:
http://www.laser2000.de/out/media/glimmerglass_system_100%281%29.pdf
Thank you, Andrew ... while Glimmerglass is really an exciting and excdellent system, these devices are exactly those photonic cross connects I'm _not_ looking for :9
On 10.12.2014 10:21, Arnold Nipper wrote:
I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent fibre optic patch panel.
I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for something which does the patching instead of a technician.
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
Are you looking for a robot to install your fiber jumpers between patch panels? Something like: http://telescent.com/tswitch.php -- Matthew S. Crocker President Crocker Communications, Inc. PO BOX 710 Greenfield, MA 01302-0710 E: matthew@crocker.com P: (413) 746-2760 F: (413) 746-3704 W: http://www.crocker.com
On Dec 9, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Arnold Nipper <arnold@nipper.de> wrote:
Am 2014-12-10 00:36, schrieb Andrew Jones:
http://www.laser2000.de/out/media/glimmerglass_system_100%281%29.pdf
Thank you, Andrew ... while Glimmerglass is really an exciting and excdellent system, these devices are exactly those photonic cross connects I'm _not_ looking for :9
On 10.12.2014 10:21, Arnold Nipper wrote:
I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent fibre optic patch panel.
I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for something which does the patching instead of a technician.
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
Am 2014-12-10 00:58, schrieb Matthew Crocker:
Are you looking for a robot to install your fiber jumpers between patch panels?
Exactly ...
Something like: http://telescent.com/tswitch.php
... like this, Matthew. Do you know Telescent systems?
On Dec 9, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Arnold Nipper <arnold@nipper.de> wrote:
Am 2014-12-10 00:36, schrieb Andrew Jones:
http://www.laser2000.de/out/media/glimmerglass_system_100%281%29.pdf
Thank you, Andrew ... while Glimmerglass is really an exciting and excdellent system, these devices are exactly those photonic cross connects I'm _not_ looking for :9
On 10.12.2014 10:21, Arnold Nipper wrote:
I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent fibre optic patch panel.
I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for something which does the patching instead of a technician.
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
Curious what the use case is where a photonic or L1 switch wouldn't get the job done? With the robotic system you still need to wire everything up so it's available to be xconnected. FiberZone was another vendor who made robotic patch panels, but I'm not sure they are around anymore. Interesting also Verizon has a patent on automated patch panels, but using very specific mechanics. https://www.google.com/patents/US8175425 Phil On 12/9/14, 11:51 PM, "Arnold Nipper" <arnold@nipper.de> wrote:
Am 2014-12-10 00:36, schrieb Andrew Jones:
http://www.laser2000.de/out/media/glimmerglass_system_100%281%29.pdf
Thank you, Andrew ... while Glimmerglass is really an exciting and excdellent system, these devices are exactly those photonic cross connects I'm _not_ looking for :9
On 10.12.2014 10:21, Arnold Nipper wrote:
I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent fibre optic patch panel.
I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for something which does the patching instead of a technician.
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
On 12/10/14 4:33 PM, Phil Bedard wrote:
Curious what the use case is where a photonic or L1 switch wouldn't get the job done?
With the robotic system you still need to wire everything up so it's available to be xconnected.
FiberZone was another vendor who made robotic patch panels, but I'm not sure they are around anymore.
We've done electromechanical cross connect termination before on a very large scale. http://www.siemens.com/history/pool/newsarchiv/newsmeldungen/20110403_bild_3... those systems typically don't have the capacity to connect 100% of the edges at once. their website is still there, I've never seen an AFM live.
Interesting also Verizon has a patent on automated patch panels, but using very specific mechanics.
https://www.google.com/patents/US8175425
Phil
On 12/9/14, 11:51 PM, "Arnold Nipper" <arnold@nipper.de> wrote:
Am 2014-12-10 00:36, schrieb Andrew Jones:
http://www.laser2000.de/out/media/glimmerglass_system_100%281%29.pdf
Thank you, Andrew ... while Glimmerglass is really an exciting and excdellent system, these devices are exactly those photonic cross connects I'm _not_ looking for :9
On 10.12.2014 10:21, Arnold Nipper wrote:
I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent fibre optic patch panel.
I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for something which does the patching instead of a technician.
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
Hi Arnold, I have recently been talking to these guys ( https://www.metamako.com/use-cases/ ) about intelligent cross connect management within our data centers. Maybe this would work for you, and probably less complicated than a robot. Cheers Pete On 11/12/2014 09:21, "joel jaeggli" <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 12/10/14 4:33 PM, Phil Bedard wrote:
Curious what the use case is where a photonic or L1 switch wouldn't get the job done?
With the robotic system you still need to wire everything up so it's available to be xconnected.
We've done electromechanical cross connect termination before on a very large scale.
http://www.siemens.com/history/pool/newsarchiv/newsmeldungen/20110403_bild _3_fernsprechamt_muenchen-schwabing_458px.jpg
those systems typically don't have the capacity to connect 100% of the edges at once.
FiberZone was another vendor who made robotic patch panels, but I'm not sure they are around anymore. their website is still there, I've never seen an AFM live. Interesting also Verizon has a patent on automated patch panels, but using very specific mechanics.
https://www.google.com/patents/US8175425
Phil
On 12/9/14, 11:51 PM, "Arnold Nipper" <arnold@nipper.de> wrote:
Am 2014-12-10 00:36, schrieb Andrew Jones:
http://www.laser2000.de/out/media/glimmerglass_system_100%281%29.pdf
Thank you, Andrew ... while Glimmerglass is really an exciting and excdellent system, these devices are exactly those photonic cross connects I'm _not_ looking for :9
On 10.12.2014 10:21, Arnold Nipper wrote:
I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent fibre optic patch panel.
I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for something which does the patching instead of a technician.
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
Doesn't the MetaMako device do exactly the same thing as the Glimmerglass photonic switch? Ammar
On 15 Dec 2014, at 2:50 pm, Peter teStrake <Peter.teStrake@tradingscreen.com> wrote:
Hi Arnold,
I have recently been talking to these guys ( https://www.metamako.com/use-cases/ ) about intelligent cross connect management within our data centers.
Maybe this would work for you, and probably less complicated than a robot.
Cheers Pete
On 11/12/2014 09:21, "joel jaeggli" <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 12/10/14 4:33 PM, Phil Bedard wrote: Curious what the use case is where a photonic or L1 switch wouldn't get the job done?
With the robotic system you still need to wire everything up so it's available to be xconnected.
We've done electromechanical cross connect termination before on a very large scale.
http://www.siemens.com/history/pool/newsarchiv/newsmeldungen/20110403_bild _3_fernsprechamt_muenchen-schwabing_458px.jpg
those systems typically don't have the capacity to connect 100% of the edges at once.
FiberZone was another vendor who made robotic patch panels, but I'm not sure they are around anymore. their website is still there, I've never seen an AFM live. Interesting also Verizon has a patent on automated patch panels, but using very specific mechanics.
https://www.google.com/patents/US8175425
Phil
On 12/9/14, 11:51 PM, "Arnold Nipper" <arnold@nipper.de> wrote:
Am 2014-12-10 00:36, schrieb Andrew Jones:
http://www.laser2000.de/out/media/glimmerglass_system_100%281%29.pdf Thank you, Andrew ... while Glimmerglass is really an exciting and excdellent system, these devices are exactly those photonic cross connects I'm _not_ looking for :9
On 10.12.2014 10:21, Arnold Nipper wrote: I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent fibre optic patch panel.
I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for something which does the patching instead of a technician.
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
Actually you are right Ammar, it does look similar so maybe not appropriate in this situation. Automated cross connects are one of the challenges they are looking to address so it would be interesting to understand why this would not work. -Pete Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Dec 2014, at 11:02, Ammar Zuberi <ammar@fastreturn.net> wrote:
Doesn't the MetaMako device do exactly the same thing as the Glimmerglass photonic switch?
Ammar
On 15 Dec 2014, at 2:50 pm, Peter teStrake <Peter.teStrake@tradingscreen.com> wrote:
Hi Arnold,
I have recently been talking to these guys ( https://www.metamako.com/use-cases/ ) about intelligent cross connect management within our data centers.
Maybe this would work for you, and probably less complicated than a robot.
Cheers Pete
On 11/12/2014 09:21, "joel jaeggli" <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 12/10/14 4:33 PM, Phil Bedard wrote: Curious what the use case is where a photonic or L1 switch wouldn't get the job done?
With the robotic system you still need to wire everything up so it's available to be xconnected.
We've done electromechanical cross connect termination before on a very large scale.
http://www.siemens.com/history/pool/newsarchiv/newsmeldungen/20110403_bild _3_fernsprechamt_muenchen-schwabing_458px.jpg
those systems typically don't have the capacity to connect 100% of the edges at once.
FiberZone was another vendor who made robotic patch panels, but I'm not sure they are around anymore. their website is still there, I've never seen an AFM live. Interesting also Verizon has a patent on automated patch panels, but using very specific mechanics.
https://www.google.com/patents/US8175425
Phil
On 12/9/14, 11:51 PM, "Arnold Nipper" <arnold@nipper.de> wrote:
Am 2014-12-10 00:36, schrieb Andrew Jones:
http://www.laser2000.de/out/media/glimmerglass_system_100%281%29.pdf Thank you, Andrew ... while Glimmerglass is really an exciting and excdellent system, these devices are exactly those photonic cross connects I'm _not_ looking for :9
> On 10.12.2014 10:21, Arnold Nipper wrote: > I'm looking for a modular, cost-effective automatic / intelligent > fibre > optic patch panel. > > I'm not looking at these photonic x-connects, but really for > something > which does the patching instead of a technician.
Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
On 15/12/14 12:17, Peter teStrake wrote:
Automated cross connects are one of the challenges they are looking to address so it would be interesting to understand why this would not work.
Aren't all of these photonic switches active devices? i.e. Lose power and your light disappears. The robotic device linked earlier in the thread, specifically states that all you lose in the event of a power outage is the ability to make changes. -- Tom
Not for basic xconnect, they use MEMS arrays (mirrors). You need power to change things and some do offer more advanced stuff like VOA, protection, etc requiring power. Phil -----Original Message----- From: "Tom Hill" <tom@ninjabadger.net> Sent: 12/17/2014 5:30 AM To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: automatic / intelligent fiber optic patch panel (iow SDN @ layer0) On 15/12/14 12:17, Peter teStrake wrote:
Automated cross connects are one of the challenges they are looking to address so it would be interesting to understand why this would not work.
Aren't all of these photonic switches active devices? i.e. Lose power and your light disappears. The robotic device linked earlier in the thread, specifically states that all you lose in the event of a power outage is the ability to make changes. -- Tom
On 11.12.2014 01:33, Phil Bedard wrote:
Curious what the use case is where a photonic or L1 switch wouldn't get the job done?
Just a matter of costs, Phil. Of course a photonic switch would also do th job. But I neither need the speed of switching over nor all the other features a photonic switch offers. Makes sense? Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
Those photonic switches are getting cheaper because a ton of people make them now and the components aren't really very expensive. Of course the cost is relative, and I don't know what an electromechanical switch might cost. Glimmerglass, Calient, Polatis were some of the early ones but I've seen a bunch of vendors with 192/384 systems. Phil -----Original Message----- From: "Arnold Nipper" <arnold@nipper.de> Sent: 12/12/2014 6:33 PM To: "Phil Bedard" <bedard.phil@gmail.com>; "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: automatic / intelligent fiber optic patch panel (iow SDN @ layer0) On 11.12.2014 01:33, Phil Bedard wrote:
Curious what the use case is where a photonic or L1 switch wouldn't get the job done?
Just a matter of costs, Phil. Of course a photonic switch would also do th job. But I neither need the speed of switching over nor all the other features a photonic switch offers. Makes sense? Arnold -- Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany email: arnold@nipper.de phone: +49 6224 5593407 2 mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 5593407 9
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