Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even poorer taste, and sucks: Begin forwarded message:
From: Josh Ankin <jankin@noction.com> Subject: BGP Management Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT To: rjoffe@centergate.com Reply-To: jankin@noction.com
Hello Rodney,
I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most importantly, I hope everyone is safe.
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and patterns change
Etc Etc
Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote:
Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even poorer taste, and sucks:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Josh Ankin <jankin@noction.com> Subject: BGP Management Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT To: rjoffe@centergate.com Reply-To: jankin@noction.com
Hello Rodney,
I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most importantly, I hope everyone is safe.
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and patterns change
Etc Etc
Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their calls back to them.. Erich Kaiser On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> wrote:
Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS.
Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: poorer taste, and sucks:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Josh Ankin <jankin@noction.com> Subject: BGP Management Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT To: rjoffe@centergate.com Reply-To: jankin@noction.com
Hello Rodney,
I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP
optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and
being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. patterns change
Etc Etc
And here I actually went to their website (not Cogent -- they still call me all the time as well) to see what they sell. -----Original Message----- From: "Kaiser, Erich" <erich@gotfusion.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:50pm To: "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their calls back to them.. Erich Kaiser On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson <[ cra@wpi.edu ]( mailto:cra@wpi.edu )> wrote:Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote:
Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even poorer taste, and sucks:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Josh Ankin <[ jankin@noction.com ]( mailto:jankin@noction.com )> Subject: BGP Management Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT To: [ rjoffe@centergate.com ]( mailto:rjoffe@centergate.com ) Reply-To: [ jankin@noction.com ]( mailto:jankin@noction.com )
Hello Rodney,
I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most importantly, I hope everyone is safe.
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and patterns change
Etc Etc
Ask for 1 or 10Gbps DIA at increasingly more difficult and preposterous locations, such as Dead Horse, Alaska (the North end of the Alaska pipeline, at the Arctic ocean) or Konduz, Afghanistan. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:54 PM Shawn L via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
And here I actually went to their website (not Cogent -- they still call me all the time as well) to see what they sell.
-----Original Message----- From: "Kaiser, Erich" <erich@gotfusion.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:50pm To: "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their calls back to them..
Erich Kaiser On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> wrote:
Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS.
Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: poorer taste, and sucks:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Josh Ankin <jankin@noction.com> Subject: BGP Management Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT To: rjoffe@centergate.com Reply-To: jankin@noction.com
Hello Rodney,
I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP
optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and
being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. patterns change
Etc Etc
Actually, you should route their calls to the IRS scammers who keep calling. I'm sure the two callers would have a lot of fun chatting with each other. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:51 PM Kaiser, Erich <erich@gotfusion.net> wrote:
Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their calls back to them..
Erich Kaiser
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> wrote:
Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS.
Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: poorer taste, and sucks:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Josh Ankin <jankin@noction.com> Subject: BGP Management Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT To: rjoffe@centergate.com Reply-To: jankin@noction.com
Hello Rodney,
I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP
optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and
being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. patterns change
Etc Etc
-- Mike Lyon mike.lyon@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
I like that idea! Erich Kaiser On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:57 PM Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, you should route their calls to the IRS scammers who keep calling. I'm sure the two callers would have a lot of fun chatting with each other.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:51 PM Kaiser, Erich <erich@gotfusion.net> wrote:
Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their calls back to them..
Erich Kaiser
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> wrote:
Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS.
Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: poorer taste, and sucks:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Josh Ankin <jankin@noction.com> Subject: BGP Management Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT To: rjoffe@centergate.com Reply-To: jankin@noction.com
Hello Rodney,
I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP
optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and
being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. patterns change
Etc Etc
-- Mike Lyon mike.lyon@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
This is overt and more than DB scraping IMHO. It's repulsive. Public pressure is the only way to police _this_. YMMV, -M< On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:30 PM Chuck Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> wrote:
Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS.
Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: poorer taste, and sucks:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Josh Ankin <jankin@noction.com> Subject: BGP Management Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT To: rjoffe@centergate.com Reply-To: jankin@noction.com
Hello Rodney,
I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP
optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and
being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. patterns change
Etc Etc
Let's start a public blacklist, sort of like a RBL reputation block list or 800notes.com, but for companies to "never to do business with" for spamming. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 06:11:41PM -0400, Martin Hannigan wrote:
This is overt and more than DB scraping IMHO. It's repulsive.
Public pressure is the only way to police _this_.
YMMV,
-M<
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:30 PM Chuck Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> wrote:
Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS.
Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: poorer taste, and sucks:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Josh Ankin <jankin@noction.com> Subject: BGP Management Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT To: rjoffe@centergate.com Reply-To: jankin@noction.com
Hello Rodney,
I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP
optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and
being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. patterns change
Etc Etc
----- On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Chuck Anderson cra@WPI.EDU wrote:
Let's start a public blacklist, sort of like a RBL reputation block list or 800notes.com, but for companies to "never to do business with" for spamming.
And while we're doing that, let's add the organizations that add "[EXT]" to subject lines on a public mailinglist. Thanks, Sabri
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 01:39:20PM -0700, Sabri Berisha wrote:
----- On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Chuck Anderson cra@WPI.EDU wrote:
Let's start a public blacklist, sort of like a RBL reputation block list or 800notes.com, but for companies to "never to do business with" for spamming.
And while we're doing that, let's add the organizations that add "[EXT]" to subject lines on a public mailinglist.
Sure, feel free to block mine.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 08:13:58PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote:
Let's start a public blacklist, sort of like a RBL reputation block list or 800notes.com, but for companies to "never to do business with" for spamming.
So it shall be done. Nominations accepted at: nanog-spammers@firemountain.net Of course, someone/something is going to harvest that address and self-nominate, but that's a feature, not a bug. Send either references that I can check by going through my archives of this list, i.e. grep'able strings or send messages themselves, preferably quoted with full headers. I'll figure out how to publish it. Note that this isn't a high priority at the moment, so it may be a while before I plow through what's received. ---rsk
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP optimization.
Is that not the thing that leaked a massive amount of prefixes some time ago ? Michel. TSI Disclaimer: This message and any files or text attached to it are intended only for the recipients named above and contain information that may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not forward, copy, use or otherwise disclose this communication or the information contained herein. In the event you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message, and then delete all copies of it from your system. Thank you!...
Their device by itself did not leak anything, no. But it was the thing that created the more specifics that were then leaked due to other errors. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:50 PM Michel Py <michel.py@tsisemi.com> wrote:
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP optimization.
Is that not the thing that leaked a massive amount of prefixes some time ago ?
Michel.
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
Their device by itself did not leak anything, no. But it was the thing that created the more specifics that were then leaked due to other errors.
"In order to further reduce the likelihood of these problems occurring in the future, we will be adding a feature within Noction IRP to give an option to tag all the more specific prefixes that it generates with the BGP NO_EXPORT community. ***This will not be enabled by default***, due to potential drawbacks; such as customers who use multiple ASes or customers who have eBGP sessions with private ASes, but it will be an option if a customer wants to use it. This way, even if filters fail, more specific prefixes won’t be propagated to external autonomous systems." - https://www.noction.com/blog/route-optimizers (emphasis mine). So, yes, "other errors" - but not tagging these by default with NO_EXPORT is like shipping hand grenades with the pins removed. Yes, some people might not know how to remove them - but these people really shouldn't be touching them to begin with.... W
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:50 PM Michel Py <michel.py@tsisemi.com> wrote:
In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP optimization.
Is that not the thing that leaked a massive amount of prefixes some time ago ?
Michel.
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-- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf
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Tom Beecher -
Warren Kumari