Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda <lobna_gouda@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
"Cheap" and "64GiB of RAM" are incompatible concepts in laptops. There is no earthly reason you should need to carry a machine like that anyway. If for some reason you need something so equipped, get yourself a cloud instance and connect to it. That's how you save money. If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island. -- Izaac
On Nov 10, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Izaac <izaac@setec.org> wrote:
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
This is the argument being made against all the citizens who have the temerity to live in British Columbia, yet not within the borders of a sanctioned municipality. Izaac, spend a year getting shot at in Surrey, then get back to us. --lyndon
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 04:40:16PM -0800, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
This is the argument being made against all the citizens who have the temerity to live in British Columbia, yet not within the borders of a sanctioned municipality.
I speak of an isolated network, i.e. an island. A network from which our initial correspondent may not be able to access large amounts of computing iron remotely. In such cases, whoever is operating the island ought to be expected to provide or bear the cost of providing those resources. I have no idea what citizenship in British Columbia -- urban or otherwise -- has to do with anything.
Izaac, spend a year getting shot at in Surrey, then get back to us.
Pardon, sir, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder which is affecting the 'professionalism' part of your brain. I'm reasonably sure it doesn't have my name on it. As such, I'll politely decline to place myself in mortal danger as you suggest. And further point out that there are far less scenic parts of the world than a Canadian suburb in which I may have had people try and shoot at me. - Izaac
"Nobody will ever need more than 64K...M...G..." George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Izaac <izaac@setec.org> wrote:
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda <lobna_gouda@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
"Cheap" and "64GiB of RAM" are incompatible concepts in laptops.
There is no earthly reason you should need to carry a machine like that anyway. If for some reason you need something so equipped, get yourself a cloud instance and connect to it. That's how you save money.
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
-- Izaac
If there is a cheap quad-core laptop with 64GB of ram and no huge downsides... then sign me up! I expect that will be the standard in 5 years, but right now that is a hoss. Izaac's suggestion of using the cloud is good, if you can do it. Cloud services have come a long way--fast and easy to set up complex environments. Great article comparing performance and costs: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610403/cloud-computing/ultimate-cloud-spee... --p -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Izaac Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:25 PM To: NANOG Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda <lobna_gouda@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
"Cheap" and "64GiB of RAM" are incompatible concepts in laptops. There is no earthly reason you should need to carry a machine like that anyway. If for some reason you need something so equipped, get yourself a cloud instance and connect to it. That's how you save money. If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island. -- Izaac
I have an almost two-year old Lenovo W530 with 32G ram. I've been happy with it. I don't find myself taking advantage of the ram (w/ VMWare Workstation) as much as I thought I would. http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w530/ -Keith Darden, Patrick wrote:
If there is a cheap quad-core laptop with 64GB of ram and no huge downsides... then sign me up! I expect that will be the standard in 5 years, but right now that is a hoss.
Izaac's suggestion of using the cloud is good, if you can do it. Cloud services have come a long way--fast and easy to set up complex environments. Great article comparing performance and costs:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610403/cloud-computing/ultimate-cloud-spee...
--p
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Izaac Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:25 PM To: NANOG Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda <lobna_gouda@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
"Cheap" and "64GiB of RAM" are incompatible concepts in laptops.
There is no earthly reason you should need to carry a machine like that anyway. If for some reason you need something so equipped, get yourself a cloud instance and connect to it. That's how you save money.
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
-- Izaac
Thanks all for your reply, lenovo seems decent almost all the pc ( lenovo and hp) are decent with the 16G.somebody mentioned with 16g it is a bit slow; Keith here is saying the 32G he had no issue. i intend to buy my own memory just to save on the costi agree 64 will be sky expensive and cloud will do, then.By the way W530 is replaced by W540, donot see much benefit for my case. Brgds, Lobna Gouda
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:13:09 -0800 From: blakangel@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
I have an almost two-year old Lenovo W530 with 32G ram. I've been happy with it. I don't find myself taking advantage of the ram (w/ VMWare Workstation) as much as I thought I would.
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w530/
-Keith
Darden, Patrick wrote:
If there is a cheap quad-core laptop with 64GB of ram and no huge downsides... then sign me up! I expect that will be the standard in 5 years, but right now that is a hoss.
Izaac's suggestion of using the cloud is good, if you can do it. Cloud services have come a long way--fast and easy to set up complex environments. Great article comparing performance and costs:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610403/cloud-computing/ultimate-cloud-spee...
--p
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Izaac Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:25 PM To: NANOG Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda <lobna_gouda@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
"Cheap" and "64GiB of RAM" are incompatible concepts in laptops.
There is no earthly reason you should need to carry a machine like that anyway. If for some reason you need something so equipped, get yourself a cloud instance and connect to it. That's how you save money.
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
-- Izaac
On 11/11/2014 05:54 PM, lobna gouda wrote:
Thanks all for your reply, lenovo seems decent almost all the pc ( lenovo and hp) are decent with the 16G.somebody mentioned with 16g it is a bit slow; Keith here is saying the 32G he had no issue. i intend to buy my own memory just to save on the costi agree 64 will be sky expensive and cloud will do, then.By the way W530 is replaced by W540, donot see much benefit for my case.
Be careful with Lenovo, some folks think it has a bad security reputation. Why? *shrug*, not sure but maybe because it's a Chinese company with ties to the PRC and IIRC, there was a BIOS flaw. --John
Brgds, Lobna Gouda
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:13:09 -0800 From: blakangel@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
I have an almost two-year old Lenovo W530 with 32G ram. I've been happy with it. I don't find myself taking advantage of the ram (w/ VMWare Workstation) as much as I thought I would.
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w530/
-Keith
Darden, Patrick wrote:
If there is a cheap quad-core laptop with 64GB of ram and no huge downsides... then sign me up! I expect that will be the standard in 5 years, but right now that is a hoss.
Izaac's suggestion of using the cloud is good, if you can do it. Cloud services have come a long way--fast and easy to set up complex environments. Great article comparing performance and costs:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610403/cloud-computing/ultimate-cloud-spee...
--p
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Izaac Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:25 PM To: NANOG Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda <lobna_gouda@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers "Cheap" and "64GiB of RAM" are incompatible concepts in laptops.
There is no earthly reason you should need to carry a machine like that anyway. If for some reason you need something so equipped, get yourself a cloud instance and connect to it. That's how you save money.
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
-- Izaac
I'd say 60% of laptops at security conferences I've been to are Lenovo, 30% Apple and 10% Dell/other. On 12 Nov 2014 20:35, "John Schiel" <jschiel@flowtools.net> wrote:
On 11/11/2014 05:54 PM, lobna gouda wrote:
Thanks all for your reply, lenovo seems decent almost all the pc ( lenovo and hp) are decent with the 16G.somebody mentioned with 16g it is a bit slow; Keith here is saying the 32G he had no issue. i intend to buy my own memory just to save on the costi agree 64 will be sky expensive and cloud will do, then.By the way W530 is replaced by W540, donot see much benefit for my case.
Be careful with Lenovo, some folks think it has a bad security reputation. Why? *shrug*, not sure but maybe because it's a Chinese company with ties to the PRC and IIRC, there was a BIOS flaw.
--John
Brgds,
Lobna Gouda
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:13:09 -0800 From: blakangel@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
I have an almost two-year old Lenovo W530 with 32G ram. I've been happy with it. I don't find myself taking advantage of the ram (w/ VMWare Workstation) as much as I thought I would.
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w530/
-Keith
Darden, Patrick wrote:
If there is a cheap quad-core laptop with 64GB of ram and no huge downsides... then sign me up! I expect that will be the standard in 5 years, but right now that is a hoss.
Izaac's suggestion of using the cloud is good, if you can do it. Cloud services have come a long way--fast and easy to set up complex environments. Great article comparing performance and costs:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610403/cloud- computing/ultimate-cloud-speed-tests--amazon-vs-- google-vs--windows-azure.html
--p
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Izaac Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:25 PM To: NANOG Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda < lobna_gouda@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
"Cheap" and "64GiB of RAM" are incompatible concepts in laptops.
There is no earthly reason you should need to carry a machine like that anyway. If for some reason you need something so equipped, get yourself a cloud instance and connect to it. That's how you save money.
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
-- Izaac
lenovo not a must , I am looking for the cheapest, I am even looking in ebay Brgds, Lobna Gouda
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 21:59:20 +0100 Subject: Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations From: baconzombie@gmail.com To: jschiel@flowtools.net CC: nanog@nanog.org
I'd say 60% of laptops at security conferences I've been to are Lenovo, 30% Apple and 10% Dell/other. On 12 Nov 2014 20:35, "John Schiel" <jschiel@flowtools.net> wrote:
On 11/11/2014 05:54 PM, lobna gouda wrote:
Thanks all for your reply, lenovo seems decent almost all the pc ( lenovo and hp) are decent with the 16G.somebody mentioned with 16g it is a bit slow; Keith here is saying the 32G he had no issue. i intend to buy my own memory just to save on the costi agree 64 will be sky expensive and cloud will do, then.By the way W530 is replaced by W540, donot see much benefit for my case.
Be careful with Lenovo, some folks think it has a bad security reputation. Why? *shrug*, not sure but maybe because it's a Chinese company with ties to the PRC and IIRC, there was a BIOS flaw.
--John
Brgds,
Lobna Gouda
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:13:09 -0800 From: blakangel@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
I have an almost two-year old Lenovo W530 with 32G ram. I've been happy with it. I don't find myself taking advantage of the ram (w/ VMWare Workstation) as much as I thought I would.
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w530/
-Keith
Darden, Patrick wrote:
If there is a cheap quad-core laptop with 64GB of ram and no huge downsides... then sign me up! I expect that will be the standard in 5 years, but right now that is a hoss.
Izaac's suggestion of using the cloud is good, if you can do it. Cloud services have come a long way--fast and easy to set up complex environments. Great article comparing performance and costs:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610403/cloud- computing/ultimate-cloud-speed-tests--amazon-vs-- google-vs--windows-azure.html
--p
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Izaac Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:25 PM To: NANOG Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda < lobna_gouda@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
"Cheap" and "64GiB of RAM" are incompatible concepts in laptops.
There is no earthly reason you should need to carry a machine like that anyway. If for some reason you need something so equipped, get yourself a cloud instance and connect to it. That's how you save money.
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
-- Izaac
On 11/12/2014 01:59 PM, Bacon Zombie wrote: Bacon and Zombies, 2 of my favorite things !!!
I'd say 60% of laptops at security conferences I've been to are Lenovo, 30% Apple and 10% Dell/other.
Not advocating either way just bringing up the nugget of info that I'm aware of. --John
On 12 Nov 2014 20:35, "John Schiel" <jschiel@flowtools.net <mailto:jschiel@flowtools.net>> wrote:
On 11/11/2014 05:54 PM, lobna gouda wrote:
Thanks all for your reply, lenovo seems decent almost all the pc ( lenovo and hp) are decent with the 16G.somebody mentioned with 16g it is a bit slow; Keith here is saying the 32G he had no issue. i intend to buy my own memory just to save on the costi agree 64 will be sky expensive and cloud will do, then.By the way W530 is replaced by W540, donot see much benefit for my case.
Be careful with Lenovo, some folks think it has a bad security reputation. Why? *shrug*, not sure but maybe because it's a Chinese company with ties to the PRC and IIRC, there was a BIOS flaw.
--John
Brgds, Lobna Gouda
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:13:09 -0800 From: blakangel@gmail.com <mailto:blakangel@gmail.com> To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
I have an almost two-year old Lenovo W530 with 32G ram. I've been happy with it. I don't find myself taking advantage of the ram (w/ VMWare Workstation) as much as I thought I would.
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w530/
-Keith
Darden, Patrick wrote:
If there is a cheap quad-core laptop with 64GB of ram and no huge downsides... then sign me up! I expect that will be the standard in 5 years, but right now that is a hoss.
Izaac's suggestion of using the cloud is good, if you can do it. Cloud services have come a long way--fast and easy to set up complex environments. Great article comparing performance and costs:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610403/cloud-computing/ultimate-cloud-spee...
--p
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org <mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>] On Behalf Of Izaac Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:25 PM To: NANOG Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: cheap laptop with 32G or 64G recommendations
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda <lobna_gouda@hotmail.com <mailto:lobna_gouda@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello, Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G. wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
"Cheap" and "64GiB of RAM" are incompatible concepts in laptops.
There is no earthly reason you should need to carry a machine like that anyway. If for some reason you need something so equipped, get yourself a cloud instance and connect to it. That's how you save money.
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
-- Izaac
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Izaac -
John Schiel -
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Lyndon Nerenberg