Hello, I am a network researcher. One question I want to ask the ISPs here are that if they have a choice of finding more information about the hosts that connect to them, is it something they will like to spend money on? For example if the ISP can find out what applications is the host running etc. would it be useful for the ISPs? Thanks
Paul Atkins wrote:
Hello,
I am a network researcher. One question I want to ask the ISPs here are that if they have a choice of finding more information about the hosts that connect to them, is it something they will like to spend money on? For example if the ISP can find out what applications is the host running etc. would it be useful for the ISPs?
Thanks
I am not exactly an ISP. Sometimes somebody is nocking at my door. If it sounds like they are knocking with a pick and a hoe, I forget about good manners and ask back with nmap. Depending an what IASON and nmap are reporting I might give botnet Gadi an email - but I dont take money for that sevice nor is that so interesting I would pay money to know more. And I see netbios ports open most of the time, so I guess it must be windows mostly and the application is a bot. The friendlier guys keep telling me their os and browser via the html interface. If they disguise a Linux Konqeror as a Winows IE that is no big problem. Would it be useful for ISPs? I guess yes. They might implement a non swimmers basin for the windows people and a sharks only basin for the rest of us. But I as a costumer would not want that. And paying money for that "sevice" - beware. Kind regards Peter and Karin -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de mail: peter@echnaton.arl.pirates http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ http://www.cesidianroot.com/
Carl Karsten wrote:
I guess yes. They might implement a non swimmers basin for the windows people and a sharks only basin for the rest of us.
what is a non swimmers basin ?
Hi Carl, in germany our public swimming pools have pools for swimmers and pools for people who cannot swim. If swimmers accidently fall into the the non swimmers and get drowned by all those non swimmers permanently plunging onto them, its their problem and not a fault of the people running the pool :) The shark basin and the non swimmers basin are very much used in popular language here - but maybe my translation is horrible. Cheers Peter and Karin -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de mail: peter@echnaton.arl.pirates http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ http://www.cesidianroot.com/
Peter Dambier wrote:
Carl Karsten wrote:
I guess yes. They might implement a non swimmers basin for the windows people and a sharks only basin for the rest of us.
what is a non swimmers basin ?
Hi Carl,
in germany our public swimming pools have pools for swimmers and pools for people who cannot swim. If swimmers accidently fall into the the non swimmers and get drowned by all those non swimmers permanently plunging onto them, its their problem and not a fault of the people running the pool :)
The shark basin and the non swimmers basin are very much used in popular language here - but maybe my translation is horrible.
thanks. I kinda figured it was something like that, but it was just a bit too unfamiliar, and around here (US) they just have 2 sides of the pool, know as "the shallow end" and "the deep end". Carl K
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:45:39 CDT, Carl Karsten said:
thanks. I kinda figured it was something like that, but it was just a bit too unfamiliar, and around here (US) they just have 2 sides of the pool, know as "the shallow end" and "the deep end".
I think Peter was referring to the "Wading Pool" - you know, the one that has maybe 6 inches of water in it, for the *really* tiny ones that even the shallow end is too deep....
Hello Guys, Thanks for the information. What I was thinking was if you get more information, can you make any use of it? Can you provide a bundled service per se? Can it help you in remote management of home consoles? Thanks On 8/10/07, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:45:39 CDT, Carl Karsten said:
thanks. I kinda figured it was something like that, but it was just a bit too unfamiliar, and around here (US) they just have 2 sides of the pool, know as "the shallow end" and "the deep end".
I think Peter was referring to the "Wading Pool" - you know, the one that has maybe 6 inches of water in it, for the *really* tiny ones that even the shallow end is too deep....
Carl Karsten wrote:
I guess yes. They might implement a non swimmers basin for the windows people and a sharks only basin for the rest of us.
what is a non swimmers basin ?
A toilet? Or maybe a kiddie wading pool. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
Thank you for helping my english a bit. Found the right word - reservoir, but I guess swimming pool is better. With IPv6 controling sinks and toilets, why not? Dont tell the environmentalists. Cheers Peter and Karin Jay Hennigan wrote:
Carl Karsten wrote:
I guess yes. They might implement a non swimmers basin for the windows people and a sharks only basin for the rest of us.
what is a non swimmers basin ?
A toilet?
Or maybe a kiddie wading pool.
-- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
-- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de mail: peter@echnaton.arl.pirates http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ http://www.cesidianroot.com/
For ISP, I don't care what applications customers are running. As long as they are legitimate, it's o.k. with me. Only concern will be whether they are running malicious code such as Virus, Spam, DDoS client, or not, which means abusing network resources and other people's resource. For that purpose, pretty much nmap is performing basic function. Then if you need, you can capture the info from network. So I don't see the reason to spend additional money for finding more info about the host that connect to us. Hyun Paul Atkins wrote:
Hello,
I am a network researcher. One question I want to ask the ISPs here are that if they have a choice of finding more information about the hosts that connect to them, is it something they will like to spend money on? For example if the ISP can find out what applications is the host running etc. would it be useful for the ISPs?
Thanks
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