Re: Is WHOIS going to go away?
Well, personally for me, I use secret registration because I was tired of all the spam I got. Spammers scrape whois data for email addresses. I not trying to hide my identity on the web, I just don't like spam. I'm not some dark evil force. Cheers, Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Kulawiec" <rsk@gsp.org> To: <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 25 2018 09:18:54 AM Subject: Re: Is WHOIS going to go away?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 07:31:20PM +0000, Naslund, Steve wrote:
I don't see why there should not be a way to know who is publishing data on the Internet.
+1 for this and what follows. Allow me, please, to piggyback on it with a similar thought:
With great power, comes great responsibility.
There is no difference between someone who runs a global network or a worldwide collection of datacenters, and someone who runs a tiny web server or a single domain, other than scale. Both of them enjoy extraordinary power, power that was difficult to imagine even for people with reliable and accurate crystal balls, a quarter century ago. They both operate a piece of the Internet that we share.
And they are both responsible to each other -- whatever that means in context. They have to be accountable, because when people are unaccountable we get spam factories and network hijacking and DoS attacks and all the other myriad crap that chews up enormous amounts of time and money.
This responsibility, this accountability isn't for everyone. And that's fine. But anyone who isn't up for it *should not sign up to operate a piece of the Internet*. There are a zillion other ways to participate without becoming an operator.
---rsk
Well, personally for me, I use secret registration because I was tired of all the spam I got. Spammers scrape whois data for email addresses. I not trying to hide my identity on the web, I just don't like spam. I'm not some dark evil force.
And of course then there's the conventional wisdom that (some) anti-spammers see secret registration as a sign that you are likely a spammer, or otherwise engaged in bad activities. Anne (who is of course professionally trained as a dark evil force ;-) ) Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law GDPR Compliance Consultant Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Legislative Consultant CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy Legal Counsel: The CyberGreen Institute Legal Counsel: The Earth Law Center Member, California Bar Association Member, Cal. Bar Cyberspace Law Committee Member, Colorado Cyber Committee Member, Board of Directors, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
On 4/25/2018 10:50 AM, Anne P. Mitchell Esq. wrote:
And of course then there's the conventional wisdom that (some) anti-spammers see secret registration as a sign that you are likely a spammer, or otherwise engaged in bad activities
For example: http://www.spamresource.com/2010/02/whois-privacy-protect-what-spamfighters.... (and I concur... although I do understand the frustration about the phone spam, too - I recently registered a dozen domains and I was getting 10+ calls a day for weeks - which I why I recommend starting with a hidden registration - then switching to an unhidden registration some weeks later. This isn't a perfect solution, but it helps since the hit freshly registered domains the hardest.) -- Rob McEwen https://www.invaluement.com
On 04/25/2018 07:10 AM, keith@contoocook.net wrote:
Well, personally for me, I use secret registration because I was tired of all the spam I got. Spammers scrape whois data for email addresses. I not trying to hide my identity on the web, I just don't like spam. I'm not some dark evil force. Cheers, Keith
What I find interesting is that I didn't get all that much spam from my small collection of domains. Of course, the e-mail addresses associated with those domains is "admin@satchell.net" (and "abuse@satchell.net"). Indeed, abuse is completely ignored by spammers, while admin gets a couple of pieces of Far East spam a week. That's right, a week. I bought privacy service now, as well as renewal protection. I've lost three domains, and don't want to lose any more.
You must be doing something wrong. ;) After registering a new domain name, I get ~10 poorly worded emails trying to convince me a I need professional web development services. I also get ~15 phone calls over a few weeks from very thick accents and call-center noise in the background telling me that I need professional web development services or search engine optimization. There's usually 1 or 2 calls with the same characteristics telling me that they work for Google and have noticed a problem with my 'listing' for my new site and I need to have them correct it for a small fee because that's how Google makes money. The phone calls don't happen if I use private registration. ;) -A On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:25 AM Stephen Satchell <list@satchell.net> wrote:
On 04/25/2018 07:10 AM, keith@contoocook.net wrote:
Well, personally for me, I use secret registration because I was tired of all the spam I got. Spammers scrape whois data for email addresses. I not trying to hide my identity on the web, I just don't like spam. I'm not some dark evil force. Cheers, Keith
What I find interesting is that I didn't get all that much spam from my small collection of domains. Of course, the e-mail addresses associated with those domains is "admin@satchell.net" (and "abuse@satchell.net"). Indeed, abuse is completely ignored by spammers, while admin gets a couple of pieces of Far East spam a week. That's right, a week.
I bought privacy service now, as well as renewal protection. I've lost three domains, and don't want to lose any more.
On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
don't happen if I use private registration
SUGGESTION: Initially register with private registration - then change it to regular non-hidden registration a few weeks later or so. (hopefully before putting it into production, especially if used for/with/in emails) I think this will cut down on the majority of those crazy spam phone calls. -- Rob McEwen https://www.invaluement.com
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Rob McEwen <rob@invaluement.com> wrote:
On 4/25/2018 11:39 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
don't happen if I use private registration
SUGGESTION: Initially register with private registration - then change it to regular non-hidden registration a few weeks later or so. (hopefully before putting it into production, especially if used for/with/in emails) I think this will cut down on the majority of those crazy spam phone calls.
I sometimes get those e-mails a few months after registration. So while your suggestion will cut down a part of it, there will still be a good chunk left. And when it comes up for renewal, it gets up again. Rubens
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:47:24 -0400, Rob McEwen said:
SUGGESTION: Initially register with private registration - then change it to regular non-hidden registration a few weeks later or so.
That will work for about 2 weeks - until the people who currently run automated software looking for new registrations to spam fix their software to lurk until the new registration becomes non-hidden.
I think I have received more e-mails from NANOG about WHOIS-derived SPAM in the past week than I have received actual WHOIS-derived SPAM in the past year. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "valdis kletnieks" <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu> To: "Rob McEwen" <rob@invaluement.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 8:14:14 AM Subject: Re: Is WHOIS going to go away? On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:47:24 -0400, Rob McEwen said:
SUGGESTION: Initially register with private registration - then change it to regular non-hidden registration a few weeks later or so.
That will work for about 2 weeks - until the people who currently run automated software looking for new registrations to spam fix their software to lurk until the new registration becomes non-hidden.
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