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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:32:31 -0400
From: "micky coughes" <coughes@gmail.com>
To: "Sean Donelan" <sean@donelan.com>
Subject: Re: peter lothberg's mother slashdotted
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On 7/12/07, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
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I can see that *everybody* is missing the point on Peter's exercise.
Clearly this is to show to the telcos of the world that you can upgrade
to a
native IP infrastructure and absorb the existing transport into the
router
with a minimal effort.  There was a post here from someone that was
...
that explained how simple it was.   This is HUGE!  This has the
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, micky coughes wrote:
there
potential to
...
completely disrupt telco transport dinosaur groups *and* reshape the
future.  Taking it to his mom's house is just a poke in the telco eye,
he is
making fun of them.  This then begs the question why can they do it
between
their facilities?  If one guy can do it to a *house* it must not be that
hard.  However, telcos with transport groups of 1000s can't pull this
off,
this little project states volumes.
Anyone can buy CRS-1 from Cisco.  All you need is money.
Busting out my handy dandy cisco configuration tool I can see that this is a
very expensive CPE solution.  This exercise cannot be about last mile
delivery, thinking so is foolish.  Given that and moving the technology to
the core it becomes: Money + laying off thousands of worthless telco TDM
transport people.  The solution that is presented is to take an existing 10G
transport DWDM network, remove transponders, replace with router gear
instead of forklifting the end terminal systems.  This is a viable model.
...
Why are you waiting for the telco's to do something?
I am waiting for them to go out of business so I can pick assets pennies on
the dollar.

Japan is spending over USD $30 Billion to bring 100Mbps to the most (but
...
not all) of their country.  Verizon is spending about $23 Billion on FTTH
to reach 18 million homes. CableLabs is hoping DOCSIS 3.0 will bring 400+
Mbps to the home without needing to replace the coax plant with fiber to
the home.
You are confused and your argument is orthogonal.  40G home delivery is not
currently an viable business model given the CPE cost.  This is about
upgrading your current transport from 10G to 40G with minimal cost and
effort.  For those that want 100G replace the handoff and incorporate the
same or better modulation schemes.  Welcome to the Bell 202 to Bell 212
upgrade.

All you need is money.  That is left as an simple exercise for the reader.
...
And to you obviously money is an infinite resource.

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<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/12/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Sean Done
lan</b> <<a href="mailto:sean@donelan.com">sean@donelan.com</a>> wrote:</s
pan>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.
8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, micky coughes wrote:<
br>> I can see that *everybody* is missing the point on Peter's exercise.
<br>> Clearly this is to show to the telcos of the world that you can upgrade
 to a<br>> native IP infrastructure and absorb the existing transport into th
e router<br>> with a minimal effort.  There was a post here from so
meone that was there
<br>> that explained how simple it was.   This is HUGE!  
This has the potential to<br>> completely disrupt telco transport dinosaur gr
oups *and* reshape the<br>> future.  Taking it to his mom's hou
se is just a poke in the telco eye, he is
<br>> making fun of them.  This then begs the question why can they
 do it between<br>> their facilities?  If one guy can do it to a *h
ouse* it must not be that<br>> hard.  However, telcos with transpor
t groups of 1000s can't pull this off,
<br>> this little project states volumes.<br><br>Anyone can buy CRS-1 from Ci
sco.  All you need is money.</blockquote>
<div> </div>
<div>Busting out my handy dandy cisco configuration tool I can see that this is
a very expensive CPE solution.  This exercise cannot be about last mil
e delivery, thinking so is foolish.  Given that and moving the technology t
o the core it becomes: Money + laying off thousands of worthless telco TDM trans
port people.  The solution that is presented is to take an existing 10G tra
nsport DWDM network, remove transponders, replace with router gear instead of fo
rklifting the end terminal systems.  This is a viable model.
</div>
<div><br> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.
8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Why are you waiting for the telco's to do
something?</blockquote>
<div> </div>
<div>I am waiting for them to go out of business so I can pick assets pennies on
 the dollar.</div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.
8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Japan is spending over USD $30 Billion to brin
g 100Mbps to the most (but<br>not all) of their country.  Verizon is s
pending about $23 Billion on FTTH
<br>to reach 18 million homes. CableLabs is hoping DOCSIS 3.0 will bring 400+<br
...
Mbps to the home without needing to replace the coax plant with fiber to<br>the
 home.</blockquote>
<div> </div>
<div>You are confused and your argument is orthogonal.  40G home delivery i
s not currently an viable business model given the CPE cost.  This is
about upgrading your current transport from 10G to 40G with minimal cost and eff
ort.  For those that want 100G replace the handoff and incorporate the same
 or better modulation schemes.  Welcome to the Bell 202 to Bell 212 up
grade.
</div>
<div> </div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.
8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">All you need is money.  That is left
 as an simple exercise for the reader.<br></blockquote></div>And to you obviousl
y money is an infinite resource.
<br>
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