BBBZZZTTT yourself. Blocking email is an interception under the ECPA (18 USC 2511 et al). It has been reported here previously that 1) The ECPA was amended to apply to email. 2) A US attorney has stated that ISP's who define their service to include mail filtering for their customers implicitly have their customers permission to do so, as required under the ECPA. Those who don't have permission would be in violation of the ECPA were they to block email. So as twisted as his writing and perhaps his thinking is, Bob is essentially right on that. You, as usual, are unequivocalably wrong. Perhaps you also can quit wasting our bandwidth. --Dean
*BBBZZZZTTT*, wrong answer,thank you for playing. Prevention of email delivery is not interception. Nor is there reading of your private email, or any of the other horrible crimes against humanity that so many envision. Unlike the USPS, if you don't like your ISP's email policies, you are free to go elsewhere. Your argument has no basis in legal, moral or ethical theory.
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At 13:06 11/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
BBBZZZTTT yourself. Blocking email is an interception under the ECPA (18 USC 2511 et al). It has been reported here previously that
*Sigh*...again with the misquoting of the law. First READ the law in question, then supply a Court opinion that blocking is interception (since it's the courts that interpret the law) if you still disagree. "18 USC 2510 'Definitions', (4) ''intercept'' means the aural or other acquisition of the contents of any wire, electronic, or oral communication through the use of any electronic, mechanical, or other device." Since the receiving ISP very specifically is NOT acquiring the email, it is rejecting it...it never hits their servers...it does not meet the definition of "intercept". The wiretapping law has only been "reported here previously" by spammers and those supporting spammers who are misquoting it to support their [specious] arguments. Furthermore: 18 USC 2701, 'Unlawful access to stored communications': "(a) Offense. - Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section whoever - (1) intentionally accesses without authorization a facility through which an electronic communication service is provided; or (2) intentionally exceeds an authorization to access that facility; and thereby obtains, alters, or prevents authorized access to a wire or electronic communication while it is in electronic storage in such system shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section." "(c) Exceptions. - Subsection (a) of this section does not apply with respect to conduct authorized - (1) by the person or entity providing a wire or electronic communications service; (2) by a user of that service with respect to a communication of or intended for that user; or..." This law clearly provides that an ISP (provider of an "electronic communications service") can block email {"authorized access to a wire or electronic communication") if they so choose. It can therefore be concluded that your argument falls flat because blocking the delivery of email does not meet the definition of "intercept" and because Sec. 2701 specifically allows ISPs to prevent access to email. Sooooo.....BBBZZZZZZTTTT! BBBBZZZZZTTT! Go try filing a federal lawsuit over it (since you think the law is so clearly on your side), and try not to get laughed at tooo much.
1) The ECPA was amended to apply to email.
No, it was amended to apply to "electronic communications", of which email is a subset. See http://law2.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t17t20+1004+2++% 27Electronic%2 "Amendments" section.
2) A US attorney has stated that ISP's who define their service to include mail filtering for their customers implicitly have their customers permission to do so, as required under the ECPA.
a. Name the attorney and provide the full citation, please. Hearsay not admissable argumentia. b. The alleged US Attorney needs to read Title 18, Chapter 119 and 121. c. US Attorneys only *think* they're God...their words are not gospel, nor are they always correct.
Those who don't have permission would be in violation of the ECPA were they to block email.
What specific part of the ECPA? Again, back to hearsay argument without supporting documentation. In no part of the entire Chapter 119 is blocking mentioned, nor permission (save judicial permission for a law enforcement interception).
You, as usual, are unequivocalably wrong.
Perhaps you also can quit wasting our bandwidth.
This is why I very rarely reply to your posts. You simply cannot avoid making ad hominem, personal attacks. Perhaps you also can quit wasting our air. Spammers should be investigated by Ken Starr! Dean Robb PC-EASY computer services (757) 495-EASY [3279]
On Tue, Dec 01, 1998 at 12:18:51PM -0500, Dean Robb wrote:
At 13:06 11/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
BBBZZZTTT yourself. Blocking email is an interception under the ECPA (18 USC 2511 et al). It has been reported here previously that
*Sigh*...again with the misquoting of the law. First READ the law in question, then supply a Court opinion that blocking is interception (since it's the courts that interpret the law) if you still disagree.
Dean^2, This exact discussion has played out at least once or twice before on NANOG. Please go read the archives. I think at this point, no matter who is right, the argument is a waste of bandwidth. Both of you are receiving two-minute penalties. Go sit in the penalty box and chill. :> -- Steve Sobol [sjsobol@nacs.net] Part-time Support Droid [support@nacs.net] NACS Spaminator [abuse@nacs.net] Spotted on a bumper sticker: "Possum. The other white meat."
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