Katrina response, private and public
Folks, After the Katrina landfall a diverse group of wireless people started organizing a relief effort, culminating in work around Waveland. There was also a group from the NPGS in Monterey, who worked on the Boxing Day Tsunami aftermath. Does anyone have a similar contact set? Eric
After the Katrina landfall a diverse group of wireless people started organizing a relief effort, culminating in work around Waveland. There was also a group from the NPGS in Monterey, who worked on the Boxing Day Tsunami aftermath.
Does anyone have a similar contact set?
hello eric i rec'd email yesterday from a colleague at inveneo.org that they and nethope.org are putting together a team to travel to haiti and work on an emergency comms wireless network for the numerous NGOs/relief workers so they can communicate more efficiently. they were part of the katrina relief effort team. contact Kristin Peterson <kristin@inveneo.org> for more info on how to help. steve
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: > After the Katrina landfall a diverse group of wireless people started > organizing a relief effort... There are quite a lot of us working on it, is there something specific you're volunteering to do? -Bill
Guys The buggest issues in the 2 coming days will be energy. And I can't assure that we will be able to get fuel for the generator. Equipment with Solar energy will be our best shot. Reynold Guerrier AHTIC Treasurer Network Engineer Haiti Earthquake Survivor On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams <brunner@nic-naa.net
wrote:
Folks,
After the Katrina landfall a diverse group of wireless people started organizing a relief effort, culminating in work around Waveland. There was also a group from the NPGS in Monterey, who worked on the Boxing Day Tsunami aftermath.
Does anyone have a similar contact set?
Eric
-- =================================== Reynold Guerrier IT Consultant 509-3446-0099 IM: reygue@hotmail.com Skype: reygji
At around noon, Eastern, the State Department was provided with information on the fuel situation at the Port au Prince NAP, which has used 2/3rds of the available diesel (8gal/hour run rate, 160 gal remaining) keeping the microwave backhaul to the DR up, and all remaining governmental and NGO network access. Eric On 1/16/10 10:43 AM, Reynold Guerrier wrote:
Guys
The buggest issues in the 2 coming days will be energy. And I can't assure that we will be able to get fuel for the generator. Equipment with Solar energy will be our best shot.
Reynold Guerrier AHTIC Treasurer Network Engineer Haiti Earthquake Survivor
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams <brunner@nic-naa.net <mailto:brunner@nic-naa.net>> wrote:
Folks,
After the Katrina landfall a diverse group of wireless people started organizing a relief effort, culminating in work around Waveland. There was also a group from the NPGS in Monterey, who worked on the Boxing Day Tsunami aftermath.
Does anyone have a similar contact set?
Eric
-- =================================== Reynold Guerrier IT Consultant 509-3446-0099 IM: reygue@hotmail.com <mailto:reygue@hotmail.com> Skype: reygji
As of this hour Reynold Guerrier has managed to obtain 56 gallons of diesel, moving the NAP's dry tank fail point some 8 hours, into the morning of the 18th. No other fuel has been delivered to the NAP. The SitRep of the 16th to the State Department has just been updated with information current as of this hour. Eric On 1/16/10 5:36 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
At around noon, Eastern, the State Department was provided with information on the fuel situation at the Port au Prince NAP, which has used 2/3rds of the available diesel (8gal/hour run rate, 160 gal remaining) keeping the microwave backhaul to the DR up, and all remaining governmental and NGO network access.
Eric
On 1/16/10 10:43 AM, Reynold Guerrier wrote:
Guys
The buggest issues in the 2 coming days will be energy. And I can't assure that we will be able to get fuel for the generator. Equipment with Solar energy will be our best shot.
Reynold Guerrier AHTIC Treasurer Network Engineer Haiti Earthquake Survivor
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams <brunner@nic-naa.net <mailto:brunner@nic-naa.net>> wrote:
Folks,
After the Katrina landfall a diverse group of wireless people started organizing a relief effort, culminating in work around Waveland. There was also a group from the NPGS in Monterey, who worked on the Boxing Day Tsunami aftermath.
Does anyone have a similar contact set?
Eric
-- =================================== Reynold Guerrier IT Consultant 509-3446-0099 IM: reygue@hotmail.com <mailto:reygue@hotmail.com> Skype: reygji
Isn't there a US destroyer taskforce off the coast now? One would think they'd have a supply of diesel available. Best Regards, Nathan Eisenberg ________________________________________ From: Eric Brunner-Williams [brunner@nic-naa.net] Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:02 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Katrina response, private and public As of this hour Reynold Guerrier has managed to obtain 56 gallons of diesel, moving the NAP's dry tank fail point some 8 hours, into the morning of the 18th. No other fuel has been delivered to the NAP. The SitRep of the 16th to the State Department has just been updated with information current as of this hour. Eric On 1/16/10 5:36 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
At around noon, Eastern, the State Department was provided with information on the fuel situation at the Port au Prince NAP, which has used 2/3rds of the available diesel (8gal/hour run rate, 160 gal remaining) keeping the microwave backhaul to the DR up, and all remaining governmental and NGO network access.
Eric
On 1/16/10 10:43 AM, Reynold Guerrier wrote:
Guys
The buggest issues in the 2 coming days will be energy. And I can't assure that we will be able to get fuel for the generator. Equipment with Solar energy will be our best shot.
Reynold Guerrier AHTIC Treasurer Network Engineer Haiti Earthquake Survivor
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams <brunner@nic-naa.net <mailto:brunner@nic-naa.net>> wrote:
Folks,
After the Katrina landfall a diverse group of wireless people started organizing a relief effort, culminating in work around Waveland. There was also a group from the NPGS in Monterey, who worked on the Boxing Day Tsunami aftermath.
Does anyone have a similar contact set?
Eric
-- =================================== Reynold Guerrier IT Consultant 509-3446-0099 IM: reygue@hotmail.com <mailto:reygue@hotmail.com> Skype: reygji
There are significant US naval and land assets in place. However, resupply to the NAP/microwave backhaul out of the FERA (Front Edge Rescue Area, to delta off the usual FEBA acronym) and local government data communications continuity apparently aren't on the first day task order, nor any subsequent day's task order. Drill. Drill Now. Drill Baby Drill. Palin may be insane, but skipping on emergency procedures and drills, which at least one government has done, is not sane. (Doing something twice, e.g., failure to prepare for Katrina class events, and expecting a different outcome measure of sanity.) Eric On 1/17/10 10:22 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
Isn't there a US destroyer taskforce off the coast now? One would think they'd have a supply of diesel available.
Best Regards, Nathan Eisenberg ________________________________________ From: Eric Brunner-Williams [brunner@nic-naa.net] Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:02 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Katrina response, private and public
As of this hour Reynold Guerrier has managed to obtain 56 gallons of diesel, moving the NAP's dry tank fail point some 8 hours, into the morning of the 18th.
No other fuel has been delivered to the NAP. The SitRep of the 16th to the State Department has just been updated with information current as of this hour.
Eric
On 1/16/10 5:36 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
At around noon, Eastern, the State Department was provided with information on the fuel situation at the Port au Prince NAP, which has used 2/3rds of the available diesel (8gal/hour run rate, 160 gal remaining) keeping the microwave backhaul to the DR up, and all remaining governmental and NGO network access.
Eric
On 1/16/10 10:43 AM, Reynold Guerrier wrote:
Guys
The buggest issues in the 2 coming days will be energy. And I can't assure that we will be able to get fuel for the generator. Equipment with Solar energy will be our best shot.
Reynold Guerrier AHTIC Treasurer Network Engineer Haiti Earthquake Survivor
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams <brunner@nic-naa.net<mailto:brunner@nic-naa.net>> wrote:
Folks,
After the Katrina landfall a diverse group of wireless people started organizing a relief effort, culminating in work around Waveland. There was also a group from the NPGS in Monterey, who worked on the Boxing Day Tsunami aftermath.
Does anyone have a similar contact set?
Eric
-- =================================== Reynold Guerrier IT Consultant 509-3446-0099 IM: reygue@hotmail.com<mailto:reygue@hotmail.com> Skype: reygji
Yesterday the US provided 270 gallons of diesel, and the Dominican Republic provided 100 gallons of diesel. Including battery, the Xchange Boutilliers is fuel secure through Friday. Eric On 1/18/10 12:37 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
There are significant US naval and land assets in place.
However, resupply to the NAP/microwave backhaul out of the FERA (Front Edge Rescue Area, to delta off the usual FEBA acronym) and local government data communications continuity apparently aren't on the first day task order, nor any subsequent day's task order.
Drill. Drill Now. Drill Baby Drill. Palin may be insane, but skipping on emergency procedures and drills, which at least one government has done, is not sane. (Doing something twice, e.g., failure to prepare for Katrina class events, and expecting a different outcome measure of sanity.)
Eric
On 1/17/10 10:22 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
Isn't there a US destroyer taskforce off the coast now? One would think they'd have a supply of diesel available.
Best Regards, Nathan Eisenberg ________________________________________ From: Eric Brunner-Williams [brunner@nic-naa.net] Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:02 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Katrina response, private and public
As of this hour Reynold Guerrier has managed to obtain 56 gallons of diesel, moving the NAP's dry tank fail point some 8 hours, into the morning of the 18th.
No other fuel has been delivered to the NAP. The SitRep of the 16th to the State Department has just been updated with information current as of this hour.
Eric
On 1/16/10 5:36 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
At around noon, Eastern, the State Department was provided with information on the fuel situation at the Port au Prince NAP, which has used 2/3rds of the available diesel (8gal/hour run rate, 160 gal remaining) keeping the microwave backhaul to the DR up, and all remaining governmental and NGO network access.
Eric
On 1/16/10 10:43 AM, Reynold Guerrier wrote:
Guys
The buggest issues in the 2 coming days will be energy. And I can't assure that we will be able to get fuel for the generator. Equipment with Solar energy will be our best shot.
Reynold Guerrier AHTIC Treasurer Network Engineer Haiti Earthquake Survivor
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams <brunner@nic-naa.net<mailto:brunner@nic-naa.net>> wrote:
Folks,
After the Katrina landfall a diverse group of wireless people started organizing a relief effort, culminating in work around Waveland. There was also a group from the NPGS in Monterey, who worked on the Boxing Day Tsunami aftermath.
Does anyone have a similar contact set?
Eric
-- =================================== Reynold Guerrier IT Consultant 509-3446-0099 IM: reygue@hotmail.com<mailto:reygue@hotmail.com> Skype: reygji
Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
Yesterday the US provided 270 gallons of diesel, and the Dominican Republic provided 100 gallons of diesel. Including battery, the Xchange Boutilliers is fuel secure through Friday.
If I may ask, what's the long term plan? How long is utility power expected to be unavailable? ~Seth
I've no idea. I've just been focused on moving the "dry tank" moment to the right, along with several others. Mind, this was the first resupply, its not a stable replenishment schedule yet. The engineers on site had (as of yesterday) personal food and water through Thursday, and dependents in need. Eric On 1/19/10 1:15 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
Yesterday the US provided 270 gallons of diesel, and the Dominican Republic provided 100 gallons of diesel. Including battery, the Xchange Boutilliers is fuel secure through Friday.
If I may ask, what's the long term plan? How long is utility power expected to be unavailable?
~Seth
On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
I've no idea. I've just been focused on moving the "dry tank" moment to the right, along with several others. Mind, this was the first resupply, its not a stable replenishment schedule yet.
The engineers on site had (as of yesterday) personal food and water through Thursday, and dependents in need.
Is there anything that any of us cab do to help, exert influence, etc (short of donating which many of us are already doing).
On 1/19/10 2:27 PM, Rodney Joffe wrote:
On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
I've no idea. I've just been focused on moving the "dry tank" moment to the right, along with several others. Mind, this was the first resupply, its not a stable replenishment schedule yet.
The engineers on site had (as of yesterday) personal food and water through Thursday, and dependents in need.
Is there anything that any of us cab do to help, exert influence, etc (short of donating which many of us are already doing).
Yes there is Rodney. The visa problem isn't solved yet, and fundamentally it is a call-your-congress-critter problem. I'll have more on that this evening (EST). TiA, Eric
Folks, I'm trying to keep the competent engineer count at the Boutilliers NAP from decrementing to zero in the very proximal future. One of several problems being worked by several groups of people. Specifically, I want to get the paperwork done so that Dominique Theodore Guerrier, wife of Reynold Guerrier, Karl Nikolas Guerrier, age 3 and Hann Aurelie Guerrier, age 1, may exit Haiti and travel to Deerfield Beach, Florida, where Reynold's sister lives. If the wife and kids are safe, Reynold will stay on site until relieved. Dominique holds a valid passport, the young children do not. I want some of the NANOG list to do something -- a "write your congress critter" exercise. See below for instructions. Eric ==== There are three avenues to take: tourist visa from State, humanitarian parole from Homeland Security, and a private request by a member of Congress. Of these, the third is the most successful, so that is what I'm asking NANOG contributors to do. Here are the three primary targets: 1. Representative Ron Klein (D-FL), who represents the district in which Reynold's sister lives (Deerfield Beach) 2. Representative Earl Blumenauer (D-OR), who's staff agreed to "look into" the situation. 3. Senators Cantwell and Murray (D-WA) were both forwarded the information on Reynold, but have yet to commit. Ordered by effectiveness, there is calling the member's district office, calling the member's Washington office (particularly if you provide service in or near the Congressional District or State), followed by fax, followed by email (or ugly webform). When communicating with the staffers of members of Congress, please make the point that this is a key human technical resource for the basic function of government. There's not a lot of point in entertaining legislation to certify operators if we are indifferent to whether there is anyone technically competent left to run what remains after a network compromising event of the first magnitude. Feel free to use Reynold's mail to NANOG of the 19th:
To any of you who wants to help:
We would like to provide to the haitian government a UC systems with several branches:
* President office: 10 Endpoints * PM office: 10 endpoints * 12 mayor city hall offices: 3 for each : 36 endpoints * Ministries (9 differents locations 3 for each) 27 * Communications Center 20 * emergency Clusters 14
Total 117 endpoints
Redundant communications.
So if someone can provide recommendations, equipment, skilled technician for that it would be fine.
Reynold
If, after your message across to the initial contact, usually a staffer simply doing phones, you get to an immigration interest, either in the initial staffer, or better, the staffer who handles either immigration requests or technology (see below), and you want me to follow-up, send me email with the contact details and either I or a Cornell Law student will follow-up on the wonk details. In addition to the its-the-right-thing reason, there is a self-interest motivation I want you all to be aware of. The three members (above) and one more, Rep. Chellie Pingree of Maine's 1st CD, are targets because they responded to the Cornell Law effort on MLK Day and yesterday. There is another, larger class of Members to be informed -- the Members who currently sit on the House Committee on Science and Technology and the House Committee on Commerce and Energy. Our collective self-interest in informing these Members is that we, as operators, big and small, are capable of issue advocacy. They already know that our employers, particularly the big ones, are capable of issue advocacy ;-) Committee on Science and Technology: http://science.house.gov/about/members.shtml Commerce and Energy: http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=160&Itemid=61 Having completed this exercise, please drop me a line at brunner@nic-naa.net so I can keep count of how many inputs went into the system, and where, and possibly infer a causal relation between outputs, if any, and inputs, and routing within the system. ====
On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Rodney Joffe wrote:
Is there anything that any of us can do to help, exert influence, etc (short of donating which many of us are already doing).
I'm sure other people involved in the relief work can suggest other things, but a few comments from my point of view: - Communications capability underpins the ability of other relief workers to do their jobs effectively, so although we, as a community, aren't feeding people or tending to their medical needs, we are helping those who are doing those crucial jobs by allowing them to focus on their work. - In the short-term, the equipment that's been requested by people on the ground has either already been delivered, is onboard a ship that left Jacksonville about twelve hours ago, or is being containerized to load on a ship that's leaving from Port Everglades tomorrow. - Also in the short-term, keep an eye out for con-artists who are trying to lure people in to fake aid-donation web sites with spam. Law enforcement is coordinating internationally to take those offline as promptly as possible. If you get fake aid-donation spam, please forward it to Tom Grasso <thomas.x.grasso@ugov.gov> or Randy Vickers <randal.vickers@dhs.gov>. Either of them or I can pass things along to the international coordination group that's addressing this. - In the mid-term, what our community needs to do is to make sure that backhaul infrastructure gets into place to move traffic in the 1Gbps-10Gbps range from Port au Prince to Miami. There are several cable systems which land in Santo Domingo, and Columbus has a branching unit off Guantanamo, so our main efforts have been focused on getting a festoon cable run around from the Santo Domingo landing (the University of Puerto Rico Marine Research labs have committed their cable-laying ship, crew, and divers, but we're still looking for an appropriate spool of armored singlemode in the 12-24 core range (more certainly wouldn't hurt, as this would be unrepeatered), and on finding funding to get Columbus to run the spur in from their BU. BTC apparently has fiber already existing or in process of turn-up between Port au Prince and the Bahamas, but nobody's been able to get a response from them yet about its status. - More generally, as a community, we do good when we make sure that places like this, places that may not have large or lucrative markets, are still served by diverse fiber, rather than by a single fragile monopoly, or not at all, as in Haiti's case. There are many countries as vulnerable as Haiti, and many of them have no fiber. Most humanitarian disasters happen in poor countries and these are generally the countries our community currently has the least capacity to serve. We can think a little more broadly than that, looking to a future when people in poor countries have more smartphones, and students and small businesses are getting online. We don't need to wait for markets to develop... we can invest in those markets, and _cause_ them to develop. Then they won't be as vulnerable to disasters like this. - Thinking to the longer term... The majority of people who die in humanitarian disasters die of second-order effects like starvation and disease that come in the wake of an earthquake or flood or whatever. That's just beginning now in Haiti, and will continue for some time. The people who died in the earthquake itself will be far outnumbered by those who will die as a result of insufficiently prepared emergency response. PCH and Cisco have been trying for _years_ to get donors to support a ready-to-go emergency communications team for disaster response, but it's been impossible to get donors to fund _preparedness_ rather than after-the-fact response. But immediately after an emergency is the _most expensive_ time to acquire generators and fuel and solar panels and wind generators and batteries and satphones and fiber and space-segments and so forth. All of that can be _much more cheaply_ purchased or contracted for beforehand, and delivered on-site weeks earlier. And those weeks are the weeks of effective response that reduce second-order deaths in the wake of an emergency. People who think they're being helpful with a donation now should understand that the donation would have saved ten times as many lives if it had been made a year ago, than if it's made now. If your companies have charitable foundations, please get them to think about that. -Bill
Bill Woodcock wrote:
- Thinking to the longer term... The majority of people who die in humanitarian disasters die of second-order effects like starvation and disease that come in the wake of an earthquake or flood or whatever. That's just beginning now in Haiti, and will continue for some time. The people who died in the earthquake itself will be far outnumbered by those who will die as a result of insufficiently prepared emergency response. PCH and Cisco have been trying for _years_ to get donors to support a ready-to-go emergency communications team for disaster response, but it's been impossible to get donors to fund _preparedness_ rather than after-the-fact response. But immediately after an emergency is the _most expensive_ time to acquire generators and fuel and solar panels and wind generators and batteries and satphones and fiber and space-segments and so forth. All of that can be _much more cheaply_ purchased or contracted for beforehand, and delivered on-site weeks earlier. And those weeks are the weeks of effective response that reduce second-order deaths in the wake of an emergency. People who think they're being helpful with a donation now should understand that the donation would have saved ten times as many lives if it had been made a year ago, than if it's made now. If your companies have charitable foundations, please get them to think about that.
Well said Bill. In addition, make sure everyone in your company has taken a CERT (Community Emergency Response Team) course. Aside from cash donations, the most important thing you can do is get CERT training so you can be effective in an emergency situation. http://www.citizencorps.gov/cert/ The biggest problem in Haiti is a lack of an incident command structure. Because of the lack of organization, resources are not effectively used and people die - the tools needed to rescue them aren't found in time, water isn't distributed in time, food and shelter isn't made available in time, etc. Yes, all of these things are in desperately short supply, but the problem is greatly magnified when there's a lack of organization. If they had better organization, then their scarce supplies would be used more effectively to benefit more people. If every US tourist visiting Haiti or US citizen working in Haiti who survived the quake unharmed had CERT training, they could have helped organize and mobilize uninjured Haitian survivors to band together and be more effective. This means being more effective at rescuing people, at triage, at providing emergency medical care, at communicating with municipal services (hospitals, doctors, police, fire departments), at determining what resources you have at hand (food, water, fuel, materials to build shelters) and how to best protect it, to ration it, to share and distribute it. It will be a long time before we can get CERT training in-place in third-world countries to ensure that their citizens can have this training, but we have it here in the US - just about every fire department offers the courses, often for free. Most offer the course to anyone who lives or works in their area. I don't know what CERT-like programs exist outside the US, but I'm pretty sure that other developed countries have similar programs. Brent Chapman has a presentation he gave at the USENIX/SAGE LISA Conference in San Diego on Thursday, 8 December 2005, and at the BayLISA meeting on Thursday, 20 October 2005: http://www.greatcircle.com/blog/author/brent_chapman/2005/10/ The presentation is about how CERT training applies to IT disasters. So not only will you be better positioned to provide personal help if you ever find yourself in a disaster situation like Haiti, you will also be able to apply the training to your day job in network operations. :-) You can also read about Brent's experience helping setup network communications in New Orleans after Katrina. jc
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote:
[ snip ]
certainly wouldn't hurt, as this would be unrepeatered), and on finding funding to get Columbus to run the spur in from their BU. BTC apparently has fiber already existing or in process of turn-up between Port au Prince and the Bahamas, but nobody's been able to get a response from them yet about its status.
*Not speaking for BTC/AS8014* "Bahamas Telecommunications Company (BTC), the service provider that runs the Bahamas Domestic Submarine Network (BDSNi) submarine cable system linking to Haiti, reported that service has been disrupted as a result of the earthquake that struck the Port-au-Prince area." http://www.fiercetelecom.com/story/btcs-haitian-cable-suffers-damage-isps-re... I forwarded the DHS contacts to them. Also, re your plan to potentially run a cable from SD to PaP. Interesting. Looks like 300nm to me. I think you're going to need op amp and power. On the Columbus run, they're going to need a landing station. I'm going to speculate that this is part of BTC's problem; no landing station of the subsea route was disrupted by the quake and depending upon the route that UPR is going to take I'd think harder about the effectiveness of this plan. I'd be thinking microwave and towers. Faster. Cheaper. Best, -M< -- Martin Hannigan martin@theicelandguy.com p: +16178216079 Power, Network, and Costs Consulting for Iceland Datacenters and Occupants
"Bahamas Telecommunications Company (BTC), the service provider that runs the Bahamas Domestic Submarine Network (BDSNi) submarine cable system linking to Haiti, reported that service has been disrupted as a result of the earthquake that struck the Port-au-Prince area."
- The Teleco Facility that receive the fiber is completely broken (dust) but must of the Technicians are alive and in Port au Prince -M
On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Max Larson Henry wrote:
"Bahamas Telecommunications Company (BTC), the service provider that runs the Bahamas Domestic Submarine Network (BDSNi) submarine cable system linking to Haiti, reported that service has been disrupted as a result of the earthquake that struck the Port-au-Prince area."
- The Teleco Facility that receive the fiber is completely broken (dust) but must of the Technicians are alive and in Port au Prince
There's an article on the subject in today's Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703657604575005453223257096.ht... -- not sure if it's behind the paywall or not. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Re your plan to potentially run a cable from SD to PaP. Interesting. Looks like 300nm to me. I think you're going to need op amp and power.
The idea was to do a festoon cable instead, landing at coastal towns along the way, and using Ethernet switches to break out local service as well as repeating signal.
On the Columbus run, they're going to need a landing station.
Yep, I expect they hope that the situation will work in their favor, and that they'll be granted one, which would break Teleco's current landing monopoly.
I'm going to speculate that this is part of BTC's problem; no landing station of the subsea route was disrupted by the quake
The landing station building collapsed. There's no evidence of any damage to the fiber, though that's possible as well.
I'd be thinking microwave and towers. Faster. Cheaper.
They've already got that, but "faster" only in the sense that it's already done... They're limited to a few STM1s, which were quickly overwhelmed by the relief workers. This is a common problem in disaster relief, we saw it particularly when we were working in Indonesia and Thailand during the tsunami... An area that had quite modest Internet usage, and infrastructure which may not be great, but is sufficient to its present requirements, gets a flood of relief workers in who all want to use Skype simultaneously, and determine that the perfectly-functional and previously-sufficient Internet is "broken" and needs to be reengineered. The existing chain of microwave relays is the Haitian ISPs' fix for the problem of Teleco having a monopoly fiber landing and setting astronomical prices on access to it. I'm not interested in reengineering anything, but I am interested in making sure that if aid money goes to the incumbent to fix their fiber, at least the community gets something out of it in the form of the monopoly being broken. Otherwise the fiber being fixed does no one any good, because they still won't be able to use it, same as before the earthquake. It's very easy to spend money and make things worse than they were before. -Bill
To any of you who wants to help: We would like to provide to the haitian government a UC systems with several branches: - President office: 10 Endpoints - PM office: 10 endpoints - 12 mayor city hall offices: 3 for each : 36 endpoints - Ministries (9 differents locations 3 for each) 27 - Communications Center 20 - emergency Clusters 14 Total 117 endpoints Redundant communications. So if someone can provide recommendations, equipment, skilled technician for that it would be fine. Reynold On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Rodney Joffe <rjoffe@centergate.com> wrote:
On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
I've no idea. I've just been focused on moving the "dry tank" moment to
the right, along with several others. Mind, this was the first resupply, its not a stable replenishment schedule yet.
The engineers on site had (as of yesterday) personal food and water through Thursday, and dependents in need.
Is there anything that any of us cab do to help, exert influence, etc (short of donating which many of us are already doing).
-- =================================== Reynold Guerrier IT Consultant 509-3446-0099 IM: reygue@hotmail.com Skype: reygji
I am willing to help/lead this effort. Bob Roswell System Source broswell@syssrc.com (410) 771-5544 ext 4336 -----Original Message----- From: Reynold Guerrier [mailto:reygue@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:39 PM To: Rodney Joffe Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Katrina response, private and public To any of you who wants to help: We would like to provide to the haitian government a UC systems with several branches: - President office: 10 Endpoints - PM office: 10 endpoints - 12 mayor city hall offices: 3 for each : 36 endpoints - Ministries (9 differents locations 3 for each) 27 - Communications Center 20 - emergency Clusters 14 Total 117 endpoints Redundant communications. So if someone can provide recommendations, equipment, skilled technician for that it would be fine. Reynold On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Rodney Joffe <rjoffe@centergate.com> wrote:
On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
I've no idea. I've just been focused on moving the "dry tank" moment
to
the right, along with several others. Mind, this was the first resupply, its not a stable replenishment schedule yet.
The engineers on site had (as of yesterday) personal food and water through Thursday, and dependents in need.
Is there anything that any of us cab do to help, exert influence, etc (short of donating which many of us are already doing).
-- =================================== Reynold Guerrier IT Consultant 509-3446-0099 IM: reygue@hotmail.com Skype: reygji
Per http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/01/texts-tweets-saving-haitians-from-th... there seem to be innovative uses of technology in play.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/01/texts-tweets-saving-haitians-from-th... there seem to be innovative uses of technology in play.
the ushahidi folk (<http://haiti.ushahidi.com/>) seem pretty pro and have turned their katrina experience really well. randy
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Bill Woodcock
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Eric Brunner-Williams
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JC Dill
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Martin Hannigan
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Max Larson Henry
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Nathan Eisenberg
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Randy Bush
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rar
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Reynold Guerrier
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Rodney Joffe
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Seth Mattinen
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Steven Bellovin
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Steven G. Huter