if i try and reply personally to everyone, i'll be typing for years. thanks for the replies, i think we've got a handle on it now. some recent updates to some mail clients are interacting badly with some spurious c/r characters that Mahogany inserts after some headers. the mahogany developers are on it, i expect my client to be fixed in the near future. thanks again, richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security