From: woods@most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Reply-To: nanog@merit.edu (North America Network Operators Group) To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: a different view of SNMP Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT)
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I sometimes wonder why Wellfleet nee Bay nee Nortel haven't already taken over most of Cisco's market share for this reason given their almost total embracement of SNMP for configuration and management. Sure, they did leave a wide market niche for third party font-end tools that actually worked, but at least they embraced the standards! :-)
Well, could it be because Cisco routers _work_? :-) -rb ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:49:14 PDT, "Ron Buchalski" wrote:
I sometimes wonder why Wellfleet nee Bay nee Nortel haven't already taken over most of Cisco's market share for this reason given their almost total embracement of SNMP for configuration and management. Sure, they did leave a wide market niche for third party font-end tools that actually worked, but at least they embraced the standards! :-)
Well, could it be because Cisco routers _work_? :-)
Or that you don't have to use that piece of crap called Configuration Mangler to deal with the thing and then pay for upgrades to a version of configuration software that doesn't leave the equipment in a bad state. -- Bryan C. Andregg * <bandregg@redhat.com> * Red Hat, Inc. 1024/625FA2C5 F5 F3 DC 2E 8E AF 26 B0 2C 31 78 C2 6C FB 02 77 1024/0x46E7A8A2 46EB 61B1 71BD 2960 723C 38B6 21E4 23CC 46E7 A8A2
[ On Sunday, September 5, 1999 at 09:46:43 (-0400), bandregg@redhat.com wrote: ]
Subject: Re: a different view of SNMP
Or that you don't have to use that piece of crap called Configuration Mangler to deal with the thing and then pay for upgrades to a version of configuration software that doesn't leave the equipment in a bad state.
That's what I meant -- there was a wide berth left open for something that would work (better) and very little stopping anyone from writing it (save for lack of a significant market, I suppose). -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP <gwoods@acm.org> <robohack!woods> Planix, Inc. <woods@planix.com>; Secrets of the Weird <woods@weird.com>
Or that you don't have to use that piece of crap called Configuration Mangler to deal with the thing and then pay for upgrades to a version of configuration software that doesn't leave the equipment in a bad state.
That's what I meant -- there was a wide berth left open for something There _WAS_. This berths is closed since embedded HTTP appeared.
that would work (better) and very little stopping anyone from writing it (save for lack of a significant market, I suppose).
-- Greg A. Woods
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Helo Bryan , On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 bandregg@redhat.com wrote:
On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:49:14 PDT, "Ron Buchalski" wrote:
I sometimes wonder why Wellfleet nee Bay nee Nortel haven't already taken over most of Cisco's market share for this reason given their almost total embracement of SNMP for configuration and management. Sure, they did leave a wide market niche for third party font-end tools that actually worked, but at least they embraced the standards! :-)
Well, could it be because Cisco routers _work_? :-)
Or that you don't have to use that piece of crap called Configuration Mangler to deal with the thing and then pay for upgrades to a version of configuration software that doesn't leave the equipment in a bad state.
Now that Nortel is in charge that is the case 'pay pay pay' When I worked at NWRain.net we had a BLN in use . When it was put into service the way to get SMxxx was to just ftp to their site & grab the latest 'production' version . If you had a Maint. Contract just call & ask for the lastest service group patched version ... that of course was before Nortel started providing 'Improved' services to it customers . Jusy My ~.03 worth , JimL +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | James W. Laferriere | System Techniques | Give me VMS | | Network Engineer | 25416 22nd So | Give me Linux | | babydr@baby-dragons.com | DesMoines WA 98198 | only on AXP | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
It's _not the joke_ - a lot folks here prefere CISCO to WellFleet just because they dod not need to get GUI program, bring laptop with them and bother about upgrades. And _npw_ CISCO haveeasy WWW interface as the GUI-SNMP killer, as well. Alex. PS. BUt it's amazing - I thought everyone use the first september weekend to rest - it appear the people use this day to make a piece of philosophy -:). On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 bandregg@redhat.com wrote:
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 09:46:43 -0400 From: bandregg@redhat.com To: Ron Buchalski <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: a different view of SNMP
On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 19:49:14 PDT, "Ron Buchalski" wrote:
I sometimes wonder why Wellfleet nee Bay nee Nortel haven't already taken over most of Cisco's market share for this reason given their almost total embracement of SNMP for configuration and management. Sure, they did leave a wide market niche for third party font-end tools that actually worked, but at least they embraced the standards! :-)
Well, could it be because Cisco routers _work_? :-)
Or that you don't have to use that piece of crap called Configuration Mangler to deal with the thing and then pay for upgrades to a version of configuration software that doesn't leave the equipment in a bad state. -- Bryan C. Andregg * <bandregg@redhat.com> * Red Hat, Inc.
1024/625FA2C5 F5 F3 DC 2E 8E AF 26 B0 2C 31 78 C2 6C FB 02 77 1024/0x46E7A8A2 46EB 61B1 71BD 2960 723C 38B6 21E4 23CC 46E7 A8A2
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