I'm curious.. with the new fcc rulings out how are other clecs planning on coping with them? I'd love to hear reactions or thoughts on the latest the fcc is throwing at the lecs. (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-255344A1.pdf) Offlist is fine in case this is considered off-topic. Matt Hess
On Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 11:04:47PM -0700, Matt Hess wrote:
I'm curious.. with the new fcc rulings out how are other clecs planning on coping with them?
Okay, I read the FCC ruling, but I'm not sure I understand what it's saying. Can someone translate it to laymans terms? ;-) Okay, it won't affect me because I'm not an ILEC or CLEC, but I'm interested to know what the FCC are up to. Simon
Wire centers serving more than 38,000 business lines or at least 4 fiber based CLEC's (this means their own fiber, I think) do not have to offer DS1 CO to CO loops to a CLEC. For DS3/Dark Fiber it is 24,000 business lines or 3 fiber based CLEC's. This is interoffice transport, the CLEC's transport between its colos, which they lease from the LEC per their interconnect contract. It can be quite inexpensive. Why bother coloing if you can't get good transport between the colos ? Much the same for customer loops from your colo. Unbundling, IIRC, is what the xLEC's got from the Telcom act. The loops and fiber. These unbundeled elements can only be accessed by colocation with the LEC, for most cases. For wire centers that meet the limits, key here is it has to be both sides meetings the limits for interoffice transport (CO to CO), a colocated CLEC cannot get ds1, ds3, and dark fiber to build their network. We are in several Qwest CO's in New Mexico, this is one of the few times it has been good to live in NM, in the context of telecommunications. Fiber based xLEC's, not many, and we only have one city that can be considered big. The questions we had are work were about the business lines. Does it include CLEC lines ? If is does not, business lines are where the LEC's have seen a big decrease and any counts are suspect as they may be old. So is the xLEC supposed to buy interoffice transport from the fiber based folks in the colo ? Can they get loops, too ? I am not sure about how this effects DS0's. Voice and HSDSL. DSL line share is gone so you have to do voice to offer DSL, in the wholesale context. What are they up too ? They limit competition in locations where there are several major providers or a lot of business customers. -- James H. Edwards Routing and Security Administrator At the Santa Fe Office: Internet at Cyber Mesa jamesh@cybermesa.com noc@cybermesa.com (505) 795-7101
James Edwards wrote:
Wire centers serving more than 38,000 business lines or at least 4 fiber based CLEC's (this means their own fiber, I think) do not have to offer DS1 CO to CO loops to a CLEC. For DS3/Dark Fiber it is 24,000 business lines or 3 fiber based CLEC's. This is interoffice transport, the CLEC's transport between its colos, which they lease from the LEC per their interconnect contract. It can be quite inexpensive. Why bother coloing if you can't get good transport between the colos ?
Yes this is what I've gotten out of it.. facility feeder loops are still available but interoffice transport lines have been all but killed.. It would appear that the FCC's intention was to force the clecs to compete among themselves and leave the ilec out of the fray in large population centers.. which really makes no sense unless the fcc is attempting to stifle the business of clecs and limit them to less populated/rural areas.. hence, providing a quasi monopoly..
Much the same for customer loops from your colo.
Unbundling, IIRC, is what the xLEC's got from the Telcom act. The loops and fiber. These unbundeled elements can only be accessed by colocation with the LEC, for most cases. For wire centers that meet the limits, key here is it has to be both sides meetings the limits for interoffice transport (CO to CO), a colocated CLEC cannot get ds1, ds3, and dark fiber to build their network.
With these rulings I think they have all but killed the UNE platform.
We are in several Qwest CO's in New Mexico, this is one of the few times it has been good to live in NM, in the context of telecommunications. Fiber based xLEC's, not many, and we only have one city that can be considered big.
The questions we had are work were about the business lines. Does it include CLEC lines ? If is does not, business lines are where the LEC's have seen a big decrease and any counts are suspect as they may be old. So is the xLEC supposed to buy interoffice transport from the fiber based folks in the colo ? Can they get loops, too ?
We asked the Colorado PUC and they have interpreted it to mean total business lines.. clecs and lecs totaled together.. funny thing is.. we checked out the line count at denver main at it was under the 38k line limit.. struck me as rather funny. It would appear that the FCC intention is for clecs to buy from other fiber clecs.. but at least out here in colorado it would appear very expensive to do that.. much more so then back haul loops would be.
I am not sure about how this effects DS0's. Voice and HSDSL. DSL line share is gone so you have to do voice to offer DSL, in the wholesale context.
What are they up too ? They limit competition in locations where there are several major providers or a lot of business customers.
Well, in a nutshell my interpretation is that the ilecs have gone to the fcc and through many rounds of lobbying and somewhat shady filings.. (like qwest's recent filing to become completely deregulated) they have told the fcc that since this administration wants to see broadband grow and push out to more areas the fcc needs to get the clecs off their back and then the ilecs will build it for them. The fcc has done so by really hurting the interoffice transport (back haul loops, dark fiber restrictions, death of UNE etc.). They really neutered the Telecommunications Act of 1996.. for some sick reason they think the clecs have an equal chance against the ilecs. Heck, 2 of the commissioners were against the rulings.. but who cares.. a simple majority needs to be held to pass the rules and screw the industry.. sounds like a bargain deal for the ilecs.. buy 3 commissioners, get 2 free. I find commissioner Jonathan Adelstein's opinion on this a great help to laying it out as to what's about to happen.. (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-255344A5.pdf)
Agreed. Both Copps and Adelstein are worth reading. http://wampum.wabanaki.net/archives/001512.html
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Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
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James Edwards
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Matt Hess
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Simon Lockhart