From: Per Gregers Bilse <bilse@networksignature.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:46:14 +0100

On Apr 14, 9:22am, Scott Grayban <scott@fctenterprises.com> wrote:

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The more bashing I hear here the less I want to ask a question here. I'm not stupid but I am worried that one question might spark a rash of flames back at me.

This is a newbies point of view.

Thanks for braving it.-)

It would be interesting if we knew the newbie:bully:oldie ratio on NANOG. As an oldie, I would rather see "clueless" newbie questions as opposed to contentless rants and posturing, and I don't believe any kind of "edge" vs "core" split of NANOG is good. Networking is end-to-end, and what is needed is a "tech" vs "non-tech" split.

In the old days we had a list called com-priv which effectively worked as the non-tech counterpart; anything to do with domain names, law suits, business practices, peering politics, legislation and regulation, etc, etc, etc would go on com-priv. Many, if not most, people subscribed to both lists, but kept things separate in their heads and in their postings. That didn't mean NANOG was a panacea for newbies, but just getting today's S/N ratio under control would be of great help.

We HAVE such a list: nanog-offtopic@lists.blank.org It has been around for several years now... Unfortunately, not too much used... Regards, Gregory Hicks

-- Per

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