If it gets to trial, I can see all kinds of stunts.. A jury trial on a highly technical issue? We hope that ma and pa non-computer literate owners are not on the jury.... But I think Michael is right, too many technical errors and less than accurate statements. Someone does not understand what is going on and wrote an interesting read of a case... Later, J -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:36 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

I am looking for anyone who has input on possibly the largest case regarding internet numbering ever. This lawsuit may change the way IP's are governed and adminstered. Comments on or off list please.

My personal opinion is that this is yet another example of ignorance leading to anger leading to a stupid waste of court time. The case is filled with incorrect statements of fact which ARIN can easily demolish. But at the bottom line, these people are complaining because ARIN didn't let them use some IP addresses that were assigned to a different company. Since IP addresses are basically available free from any ISP who sells Internet access services, this seems like a severe error in judgement on the part of the plaintiff. A smart businessperson would have used the free IP addresses to keep their business online even if they did decide to dispute ARIN's decision. But in the end, IP addresses are not property, therefore they cannot be assets and cannot be transferred. They can only be kept if they are in use on network assets which are transferred and which continue to be operational. And even then, most people have no choice as to which specific address block they use. They simply take what the ISP gives them. I personally suspect that ARIN will have this thrown out of court in fairly short order. Even if it did go much further, the parallels with NANPA would see it fade away quite quickly. This discussion really belongs on http://www.groklaw.net/ where I note it has not yet appeared. Perhaps another indication that this is a tempest in a teapot. --Michael Dillon