[NEWS] FBI To Require ISPs To Reconfigure E-mail Systems (fwd)
National Journal's Technology Daily PM Edition October 16, 2001 HEADLINE: PRIVACY: FBI To Require ISPs To Reconfigure E-mail Systems PHOENIX -- The FBI is in the process of finalizing technical guidelines that would require all Internet service providers (ISPS) to reconfigure their e-mail systems so they could be more easily accessible to law enforcers. The move, to be completed over the next two months, would cause ISPs to act as phone companies do to comply with a 1994 digital-wiretapping law. "They are in the process of developing a very detailed set of standards for how to make packet data" available to the FBI, said Stewart Baker, an attorney at Steptoe & Johnson who was formerly the chief counsel to the National Security Agency (NSA). The proposal is not a part of the anti-terrorism legislation currently before Congress because the agency is expected to argue that the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) already grants it the authority to impose the requirement, Baker said. He added that some ISPs already meet the requirements. Baker, who frequently represents Internet companies being asked to conduct electronic surveillance for the FBI, made the revelation Tuesday in a panel discussion at the Agenda 2002 conference here on how the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks are likely to affect the technology industry and civil liberties. He elaborated on the plan in an interview. Such a stance could result in considerable cost to many ISPs, and it would constitute a reversal of previous government policy, which held that ISPs are not subject to CALEA's requirements. But Baker also said "it has been a long-term goal of the FBI and is not just a reaction to Sept. 11." Mitchell Kapor, chairman of the Open Source Application Foundation and a founder of Lotus Development, also spoke on the panel. Kapor also started the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and has been a vocal advocate of Internet privacy. EFF played a significant role in the CALEA debate, and divisions over whether to support that law led to a split of the organization. "Under the cover of people's outrage [over the terrorist attacks] and desire for revenge, lots of things that have been defeated before have been brought back in [to the anti-terrorism legislation] without a demonstration that the lack of appropriate law is a problem," Kapor said in an interview. But on the whole, Kapor and Baker shared more common ground on the acceptability of new electronic surveillance than they had in the past, with both expressing the view that now is a time for calm reconsideration of positions rather than butting horns over the details of how civil liberties would be curtailed by an anti-terrorism bill. "I find myself more in the middle than I used to because my identity in life is not as a civil liberties advocate," Kapor said. "Part is being an American and a world citizen." Baker said it was entirely appropriate for the FBI to conduct far more surveillance. "What has changed [since Sept. 11] is the view of the technology community," Baker said. "I used to get calls like, 'How can I beat the NSA?'" said Baker. "Now, people call and say, 'I have this great idea that would help NSA,' or, 'I want to go volunteer and do outreach on behalf of the FBI or NSA.' There is a real change of people's view about who the bad guys are." . -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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National Journal's Technology Daily
PM Edition
October 16, 2001
HEADLINE: PRIVACY: FBI To Require ISPs To Reconfigure E-mail Systems
What about people who operate their own email server? Do I have to make sure the FBI can wiretap myself? What would wiretap laws be like if individuals had been able all along to operate their own telco switch, if they so desired? - --- "The avalanche has already begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote" - Kosh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO83owkksS4VV8BvHEQIDFACglEJDL4GLpZSxNc0e14S7ZyEJf2wAoPo6 NnnPnKDy67VBGSeQzvjWQJ4M =Z30T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Mike Batchelor wrote: :What would wiretap laws be like if individuals had been able all along to :operate their own telco switch, if they so desired? Funny you should mention that, as I think we are about to find out. -) -- batz Reluctant Ninja Defective Technologies
Let's consider the ramifications of this: The FBI steps up the monitoring of law abiding citizens and great expense to private industry. Criminals, terrorists and other evildoers think about and say, "Hmmm......since the FBI might monitor the email that passes through our ISP, let's set up our own mail servers outside of our ISP and communicate directly over VPN's and encrypted P2P networks. Yeah that should work. Or gosh, let's use off shore email serves set up by our own criminal networks posing as legitimate businesses. Or let's set up an little ISP and have some out of band email servers who's traffic can't be spied on." "Those who would trade freedom for security will wind up with neither." I forget who said it and I don't feel like looking it up.
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:40:45 PDT, Larry Diffey <ldiffey@technologyforward.com> said:
Criminals, terrorists and other evildoers think about and say, "Hmmm......since the FBI might monitor the email that passes through our ISP, let's set up our own mail servers outside of our ISP and communicate
And some people also believe that crypto with government back doors will actually make a difference too....
"Those who would trade freedom for security will wind up with neither." I forget who said it and I don't feel like looking it up.
Ben Franklin, I believe, and I think he said "deserve neither". -- Valdis Kletnieks Operating Systems Analyst Virginia Tech
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
"Those who would trade freedom for security will wind up with neither." I forget who said it and I don't feel like looking it up.
Ben Franklin, I believe, and I think he said "deserve neither".
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. -- [jba@analogue.net] :: analogue.networks.nyc :: http://analogue.net
On 01:40 PM 10/17/2001 -0700, Larry Diffey wrote:
Let's consider the ramifications of this:
The FBI steps up the monitoring of law abiding citizens and great expense to private industry.
Criminals, terrorists and other evildoers think about and say, "Hmmm......since the FBI might monitor the email that passes through our ISP, let's set up our own mail servers outside of our ISP and communicate directly over VPN's and encrypted P2P networks. Yeah that should work. Or gosh, let's use off shore email serves set up by our own criminal networks posing as legitimate businesses. Or let's set up an little ISP and have some out of band email servers who's traffic can't be spied on."
"Those who would trade freedom for security will wind up with neither." I forget who said it and I don't feel like looking it up.
"Those who are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security." --- Benjamin Franklin Who was, ironically, the first US Postmaster General. I'm sure he's rolling over in his grave.
participants (7)
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batz
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David Lesher
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JC Dill
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jeffrey arnold
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Larry Diffey
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Mike Batchelor
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Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu