Re: larger space was: Re: [NIC-....
At 03:23 PM 2/15/96 -0500, Alan B. Clegg wrote:
How exactly does a larger address space ease deployment of an ISP? "Current thinking" of who? Sure we should conserve space, but that was not my argument. My argument is that small ISPs are *NOT* going to cooperate to get larger blocks. They use any tactic to make themselves out to be 'larger fish' in that network bowl. Ever seen a nasty catfight between small local ISPs? I have. Not pretty. Cooperation? Not likely.
This is exactly the type of mentality that the address ownership draft addresses, and without the word 'mandatory' appearing anywhere in the text. This attitude of non-cooperation is shameful. - paul
On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Paul Ferguson wrote: [lack of cooperation example removed]
This is exactly the type of mentality that the address ownership draft addresses, and without the word 'mandatory' appearing anywhere in the text.
This attitude of non-cooperation is shameful.
I agree, and do not support it in any way (please, don't flame *ME*) I just have this ..er.. funny feeling that cooperation among small ISPs that are fighting with everyone else for that smaller and smaller piece of the pie is not going to be the easiest thing to make work. I agree.. creating small groups of ISPs that cooperate on addressing in geographic areas connecting to major service points would be the best thing in the world. If we could agree to cooperate, we would not have the quagmire that we have now, agreed? Business nature (and dog-eat-dog economics) force non-cooperation at the low (and high) end. Middle men are left to themselves. -abc \ Alan B. Clegg Just because I can \ Internet Staff does not mean I will. \ gateway.com, inc. \ <http://www.gateway.com/>
Paul states:
This attitude of non-cooperation is shameful.
- paul
The poster is beginning to sound like a member of a political party in a European country of the first half of this century whom believes that if you do not "believe in the party line" that you are shameful and should be banished from the party. I quote from another Milan Kundera book: " .. I became aware of the magic qualities of the circle. Leave a row and you can always come back to it. The row is an open formation. But once a circle closes, there is no return. It is no accident that the planets move in a circle and when a stone breaks loose from one of them it is drawn inexorably away by centrifugal force. Like a meteorite broken loose from a planet, I too fell from the circle and have been falling ever since. Some people remain in the circle until they die, others smash to pieces at the end of a long fall......" Milan Kundera The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, pg 65-64 The use of terms like 'shameful' are really out of line when discussing ideas born from different perspectives. We all know that the continuing deployment of a hierarchical routing model for the Internet means more routers sold; big ISPs get bigger; etc. ad infinitum. There are other ways to deploy a hierarchical routing model than forcing end users to renumber their IP addresses. The problem is that it requires more work and energy from those above the end-user level; and the problem of developing a more robust hierarchical routing infrastructure at the expense of the user of the technology, and not the supplier, is what people are not in agreement with. At I have pointed out before, opposing views are antipodic and draw energy from each other like a magnet, forming the quintessential element of human society. It is very dioramic to view the world or others viewpoints as 'shameful' just because you and your circle happen to disagree. Take Care, Tim (The Heretic) +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Tim Bass | | | Principal Network Systems Engineer | "... the fates of men are bonded | | The Silk Road Group, Ltd. | one to the other by the cement | | | of wisdom." | | http://www.silkroad.com/ | Milan Kundera | | | | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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