What happened to the access-list blahblah established command in 11.1.15? is it missing? I find some stuff about reflexive lists in 11.3 which would be nice but it disappear from 10.x to 11.1, the machine even claims I should be able to use an established parameter but doesn't offer it to me. sigh. jlw -- Jason Weisberger Chief Technology Officer SoftAware, Inc. - 310/305-0275 "Let us cross over the river, and rest under the shade of the trees." -Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson