Tim Chown writes:
Which of the big boys are doing it?
Google - although there don't call themselves a web hoster, they can be used for hosting web sites using services such as Sites or App Engine. Both support IPv6, either using the opt-in mechanism or by using an alternate CNAME (ghs46 instead of ghs.google.com). That's what I use. None of the other large "cloud" providers seems to support IPv6 for their users yet. In particular, neither Amazon's AWS not Microsoft Azure have much visible activity in this direction. Rackspace have announced IPv6 support for the first half of 2011. Concerning the more traditional webhosting offerings, I have no idea about the "big boys". Here in Switzerland, a few smaller hosters support IPv6. And I saw IPv6 mentioned in ads for some German server hosting offering. Germany is interesting because it has a well-developed hosting ecosystem with some really big players. -- Simon.
I ran across this link a while back, it shows, of the top 100k websites (according to Alexa), which ones are IPv6 enabled: http://www.atoomnet.net/ipv6_enabled_popular_websites.php?complete_list=true On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Simon Leinen <simon.leinen@switch.ch> wrote:
Tim Chown writes:
Which of the big boys are doing it?
Google - although there don't call themselves a web hoster, they can be used for hosting web sites using services such as Sites or App Engine. Both support IPv6, either using the opt-in mechanism or by using an alternate CNAME (ghs46 instead of ghs.google.com). That's what I use.
None of the other large "cloud" providers seems to support IPv6 for their users yet. In particular, neither Amazon's AWS not Microsoft Azure have much visible activity in this direction. Rackspace have announced IPv6 support for the first half of 2011.
Concerning the more traditional webhosting offerings, I have no idea about the "big boys". Here in Switzerland, a few smaller hosters support IPv6. And I saw IPv6 mentioned in ads for some German server hosting offering. Germany is interesting because it has a well-developed hosting ecosystem with some really big players. -- Simon.
-- Fred
I have used both softlayer and arpnetworks. Both have v6 by default, but only softlayer can be considered a big boy... multiple sites. Cloud and dedicated servers ... softlayer is a class act with v6 added for free
Many virtual private server companies (I have 2 BurstNET VPS servers in Scranton and Los Angeles) will give you a /64 of IPv6 addresses. This is always an option.
In message <AANLkTiksv84+tSm80AjyXg-XZDfX3NGJz1FJM0KQ64Hp@mail.gmail.com>, Fred Richards writes:
I ran across this link a while back, it shows, of the top 100k websites (according to Alexa), which ones are IPv6 enabled:
http://www.atoomnet.net/ipv6_enabled_popular_websites.php?complete_list=3Dt= rue
And 1.5% of AAAA lookups, in the Alexa top 1000000, fail as the SOA is in the wrong section or the wrong SOA is returned or timeout or return NXDOMAIN when A returns a answer. GLB vendors have a lot to answer for as almost all of these errors involve a GLB being installed. Either their products are broken or their documentation is so poor that people can't configure their boxes properly. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/2011 02:15 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
In message <AANLkTiksv84+tSm80AjyXg-XZDfX3NGJz1FJM0KQ64Hp@mail.gmail.com>, Fred Richards writes:
I ran across this link a while back, it shows, of the top 100k websites (according to Alexa), which ones are IPv6 enabled:
http://www.atoomnet.net/ipv6_enabled_popular_websites.php?complete_list=3Dt= rue
And 1.5% of AAAA lookups, in the Alexa top 1000000, fail as the SOA is in the wrong section or the wrong SOA is returned or timeout or return NXDOMAIN when A returns a answer. GLB vendors have a lot to answer for as almost all of these errors involve a GLB being installed. Either their products are broken or their documentation is so poor that people can't configure their boxes properly.
Given that v6 is probably an afterthought for these vendors, I'm guessing the documentation is at fault. I know the docs for some of the brands I've worked with were bad enough for tier-1 features. Bah. I'm in the process of putting together a fully software based system to do GLB. Presenting on it in a couple of weeks in the Los Angeles area. Hit me off list for details. It seems fairly straightforward to put the system together. Spent this weekend doing the research and architecture design for it. I'll send the slide link to the list after I give the talk. Maybe I'll present it in person at one of the upcoming NANOG meetings if I can get my employer to sponsor travel. :) Unfortunately it will be all v4. I have v6 turned up via he.net (as I alluded to a while back), but it's not at the same level as v4 is. I'm currently going through the learning process with v6. However that's an incredibly high priority for me, and I hope to be at parity with v4 by end of Q1. I'll probably do a separate "ipv6 for datacenter/application operators" presentation at some point in Q2. I know there will be one at SCALE this year, by one of our frequent v6 posters. :) - -- Charles N Wyble (charles@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNT0rqAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtURcP+wbsYil0YufyEWsOlbtqcWDF kpoBgikyCPSazH/aM8trKsPFdWpo7HPX2RDHh+aJwRN3WEOPAdMzN+uchD28bvj8 1X0W4oJ+Tyrq0770iy7kcNmN0YJL7DpJlfiA8401lsPmsHBWrE55hEjcDz/lXjHA kfu7NOygoQ9PtQS8XgOrIpPVZ3Juv9ae/XUuwYEPkvGuwhn8ZdIBTKzSEIujPYOV dpMOxrXkaKrZILybUd9tmaFAKk4jML3+IqcziWYaDiJUWrrjLK18jMDOVr4WM8Pb TK8kz86B3oTNworxeVT9/oWyWMoPf0FDSCWCeEgdj4YvvlPlbq7skC2djvRvpPBE DtdOqw1gz8Buw3wvIrUfFsZgvOIrDRBCeXVvG0MoErpK18TubA79ZM8x58/aXAAY 3bnoiIfdJQGCnO5IscMEOijmPq60UI9fl1u4KTGd30nIEVFN1jPPKXXWDBPEFSA4 ylEJLKRP6CKNETURcfiMo9hi25IMiVjf4GvWGz1VPTqBhewh7ZxCEJkXrdQ7cAnh uZhbX76e/AGkeSiBvWdSDPlrUkFES5utoghswwZ8yCPaQguoF4NUMaDtMNfwlk8X F3YR8ocCn9HKvBhAEPezkvR4n0SMy+ybAJJkUsJ0QVZifWCNFdz0oJLuy7OVtmGt Uw2dQluyXu8c24UfuIhI =nX8D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
In message <AANLkTiksv84+tSm80AjyXg-XZDfX3NGJz1FJM0KQ64Hp@mail.gmail.com>, Fred Richards writes:
I ran across this link a while back, it shows, of the top 100k websites (according to Alexa), which ones are IPv6 enabled:
http://www.atoomnet.net/ipv6_enabled_popular_websites.php?complete_list=3Dt= rue
And 1.5% of AAAA lookups, in the Alexa top 1000000, fail as the SOA is in the wrong section or the wrong SOA is returned or timeout or return NXDOMAIN when A returns a answer. GLB vendors have a lot to answer for as almost all of these errors involve a GLB being installed. Either their products are broken or their documentation is so poor that people can't configure their boxes properly.
Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
Hey, maybe all we need is an analysis site which says "warning: your ipv6 is broken!". And give reasons ... point out misconfiguration like your examples above, regardless of whether it's dns or global load balancers. We'll see v6 adoption skyrocket overnight. ;) -- Fred
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/09/2011 06:16 PM, Fred Richards wrote:
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
In message <AANLkTiksv84+tSm80AjyXg-XZDfX3NGJz1FJM0KQ64Hp@mail.gmail.com>, Fred Richards writes:
I ran across this link a while back, it shows, of the top 100k websites (according to Alexa), which ones are IPv6 enabled:
http://www.atoomnet.net/ipv6_enabled_popular_websites.php?complete_list=3Dt= rue
And 1.5% of AAAA lookups, in the Alexa top 1000000, fail as the SOA is in the wrong section or the wrong SOA is returned or timeout or return NXDOMAIN when A returns a answer. GLB vendors have a lot to answer for as almost all of these errors involve a GLB being installed. Either their products are broken or their documentation is so poor that people can't configure their boxes properly.
Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
Hey, maybe all we need is an analysis site which says "warning: your ipv6 is broken!". And give reasons ... point out misconfiguration like your examples above, regardless of whether it's dns or global load balancers. We'll see v6 adoption skyrocket overnight. ;)
http://test-ipv6.com/ is a good start for basic sanity checks. I need to get my v6 content provider stuff done and write up a blog post and/or do a presentation. Soon.... - -- Charles N Wyble (charles@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNU2zGAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtteYQAMGr6P0zmW5or0rYUfAh4cVk xVvH7x6SvcvygKZArM9BYqYaOo8qvD1yQ11tKn4/OUaNynwE24kF1w03KUbftf+v jmg1jN6cS2rTKIJr9esf4RD0z2Y9r1TO/lp6r0hz7QAfAnqwfek7C6Wr8U8QDp35 QdTly/tZbAnCegCOW4KDMGnjusqzK1zl5OU3N546X6NI5JXaqrw8iEZVbMMF61B1 2XCK03DRVAqiASN1wA274DWy641pPDy/W40a2jMU2+TvfgnQQN5eLgdiRmm9b4BA Zyt6fquBLDOpD8/PzIlgWMZS/PVmeo9lDXl5c09cOsGs+ryDTCCcniEiv9uaMBVs t0/BVmLh87Srqxcjt6BL/dHl0msJX3AEhsZObMp9zjtmGKJ1boBMeXIuOYuag7C7 nyPLa3WOIw8j+zdeux2aJc8VQ6f00gUg4L716m36yApig/DfsiAAD4+drDEsqkJh NeYO3zLo++91b//a/UmK+a/HiNcwjw0/1rOaO9n/+6HAW2YNl55LoeWNn7dpCo5U iBwou+RRz0w/YvnEB+FiysDier4/iS+cRxiV0X1g+RGtbQ3+BgnQmxSBxbshsijw h9A22uwsjmcoU8Ns6OunJpVMG+epE0ohq5ynejqjwi0aJ7Ck/v7lzHjU1h6zCbFd e+8t3cGc9at795oLSulP =5vQz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
We (voxel.net, AS 29791) offer dual-stack on all server and cloud products. As others have pointed out, SoftLayer is an excellent example of a hosting provider that Gets It on a large scale. Sadly, v6 support on popular "cloud-only" services is suspiciously absent. Terremark vCoudExpress, Savvis, Amazon EC2, among others don't support it today, or on any public roadmaps... -a
On 2/6/11 7:08 PM, Adam Rothschild wrote:
We (voxel.net, AS 29791) offer dual-stack on all server and cloud products. As others have pointed out, SoftLayer is an excellent example of a hosting provider that Gets It on a large scale.
Sadly, v6 support on popular "cloud-only" services is suspiciously absent. Terremark vCoudExpress, Savvis, Amazon EC2, among others don't support it today, or on any public roadmaps...
It's worth noting that the address space used in the large public clouds almost certainly overlaps with one's own private numbering plan, and having had to interconnect with some "public cloud" I can tell you that I do not appreciate having to 1:1 nat several thousand potential systems. I poked several about v6 support it would be greately appreciated if other people would likewise contact your account reps.
-a
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Joel Jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 2/6/11 7:08 PM, Adam Rothschild wrote:
We (voxel.net, AS 29791) offer dual-stack on all server and cloud products. As others have pointed out, SoftLayer is an excellent example of a hosting provider that Gets It on a large scale.
Sadly, v6 support on popular "cloud-only" services is suspiciously absent. Terremark vCoudExpress, Savvis, Amazon EC2, among others don't support it today, or on any public roadmaps...
It's worth noting that the address space used in the large public clouds almost certainly overlaps with one's own private numbering plan, and having had to interconnect with some "public cloud" I can tell you that I do not appreciate having to 1:1 nat several thousand potential systems.
I poked several about v6 support it would be greately appreciated if other people would likewise contact your account reps.
No need friend. The AWS support thread on IPv6 goes back to 2007 ... and still no support. I'd give up and move on ... just like an ISP that does not support IPv6 today. It's a fight not worth picking. Between Voxel and Softlayer, i assume nearly any need can be met ... and the VPS market is pretty cut throat and customers can move quick. We cannot talk blue in the face about how people should support IPv6, that time has passed. Many organizations do support IPv6, they have had the forethought, and we should really vote with our dollars and not yet another round of posturing about how important v6 is and how X company should add IPv6 to their roadmap. Cloud and mobile are 2 very fast growing edges ... and you cannot do any level of network planning for these fast growing edges and overlook IPv6. Cameron ======== T-Mobile USA IPv6 Beta http://groups.google.com/group/tmoipv6beta ========
On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 22:08:32PM -0500, Adam Rothschild wrote:
As others have pointed out, SoftLayer is an excellent example of a hosting provider that Gets It on a large scale.
An excellent example of a provider that Spams on a large scale, too. -- Henry Yen Aegis Information Systems, Inc. Senior Systems Programmer Hicksville, New York <henry@aegis00.com> (800) 234-4700
Here's one list: http://www.sixxs.net/wiki/IPv6_Enabled_Hosting Frank -----Original Message----- From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 8:53 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Top webhosters offering v6 too? Which of the big boys are doing it? Tim
BlueHost, which while maybe not a great quality web host, by all measures is a big one, not only does not support IPv6 but they denied my request to create a AAAA record pointing to a friend's IPv6 page for a domain I host there. BH, are you listening??? -. Carlos On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk@iname.com> wrote:
Here's one list: http://www.sixxs.net/wiki/IPv6_Enabled_Hosting
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 8:53 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Top webhosters offering v6 too?
Which of the big boys are doing it?
Tim
-- -- ========================= Carlos M. Martinez-Cagnazzo http://www.labs.lacnic.net =========================
On 2/6/11 8:21 PM, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote:
BlueHost, which while maybe not a great quality web host, by all measures is a big one, not only does not support IPv6 but they denied my request to create a AAAA record pointing to a friend's IPv6 page for a domain I host there.
BH, are you listening???
There are plenty of providers that support IPv6 and would be happy to have a new customer that's interested in IPv6. If your current host does not support it and you want it, just drop them already and move on to one that does. ~Seth
Oxilion, dutch based provider (AS48539), also provides cloud services based on RHEV. They do provide IPv6 also. See for a redhat notice about this: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2010/oxilion.html Their site is mostly dutch, however this one is in English also http://oxilion.nl/virtual-datacenter-en regards, Igor
Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> writes:
Which of the big boys are doing it?
Strato in Germany. They offer IPv6 for dedicated server now. I was told that the implementation for their shared hosting (about one million domains) is almost finished and that they also offer IPv6 for virtual servers (problems with the vendor). Jens -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jenslink@guug.de | ------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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