Hey, I've been bit poking around trying to find reasonable option for 1GE L3 full BGP table aggregator. It seems vendors are mostly pushing Satellite/Fusion for this application. I don't really like the added complexity and tight coupling Satellite/Fusion forces me. I'd prefer standards based routing redundancy to reduce impact of defects. ASR9001 and MX104 are not an options, due to control-plane scale. New boxes in vendor pipeline are completely ignoring 1GE. I've casually talked with other people, and it seems I'm not really alone here. My dream box would be 96xSFP + 2xQSFP28, with pretty much full edge features (BGP, LDP, ISIS, +1M FIB, +5M RIB, per-interface VLANs, ipfix or sflow, at least per-port QoS with shaper, martini pseudowires). With tinfoil hat tightly fit on my head, I wonder why vendors are ignoring 1GE? Are business cases entirely driven now by Amazon, Google, Facebook and the likes? Are SP volumes so insignificant in comparison it does not make sense to produce boxes for them? Heck even 10GE is starting to become problematic, if your application is anything else than DC, because you can't choose arbitrary optics. -- ++ytti
Hello Saku,
I've casually talked with other people, and it seems I'm not really alone here. My dream box would be 96xSFP + 2xQSFP28, with pretty much full edge features (BGP, LDP, ISIS, +1M FIB, +5M RIB, per-interface VLANs, ipfix or sflow, at least per-port QoS with shaper, martini pseudowires).
I'd go with a Nokia/ALu 7750. Two 48x1G IMM, or 5x m20-1gb-xp-sfp MDA + 3 IOM3-XP, and 100G IMMs (1 or 2 CFP ports - no idea about qsfp28 options though) with SF/CPM5. This would fit in a SR7. Not sure about the smaller models (-c or -a series). The 7450 might be an option too, but I don't know this hardware. RIB size is 20M iirc (shared between all af) and fib size 3 or 5M depending of the card. SR-OS is weird when you're used to ios or junos, but in the end the cli is very efficient and quite enjoyable actually. HTH, pierre
On 6/16/16 12:51 AM, Saku Ytti wrote:
Hey,
I've been bit poking around trying to find reasonable option for 1GE L3 full BGP table aggregator. It seems vendors are mostly pushing Satellite/Fusion for this application.
I don't really like the added complexity and tight coupling Satellite/Fusion forces me. I'd prefer standards based routing redundancy to reduce impact of defects.
ASR9001 and MX104 are not an options, due to control-plane scale. New boxes in vendor pipeline are completely ignoring 1GE.
I've casually talked with other people, and it seems I'm not really alone here. My dream box would be 96xSFP + 2xQSFP28, with pretty much full edge features (BGP, LDP, ISIS, +1M FIB, +5M RIB, per-interface VLANs, ipfix or sflow, at least per-port QoS with shaper, martini pseudowires).
With tinfoil hat tightly fit on my head, I wonder why vendors are ignoring 1GE? Are business cases entirely driven now by Amazon, Google, Facebook and the likes? Are SP volumes so insignificant in comparison it does not make sense to produce boxes for them? Heck even 10GE is starting to become problematic, if your application is anything else than DC, because you can't choose arbitrary optics.
There's not a lot of innovation going on in lower end 1G chipsets. The natural consequent of that is that you can build a high-end gig switch or router around a chipset supporting 10Gb/s ports or feeds and speeds your cogs are naturally going to be rather similar to the 10Gb/s offering.
On 16.06.2016 09:51, Saku Ytti wrote:
Hey,
I've been bit poking around trying to find reasonable option for 1GE L3 full BGP table aggregator. It seems vendors are mostly pushing Satellite/Fusion for this application.
I don't really like the added complexity and tight coupling Satellite/Fusion forces me. I'd prefer standards based routing redundancy to reduce impact of defects.
ASR9001 and MX104 are not an options, due to control-plane scale. New boxes in vendor pipeline are completely ignoring 1GE.
I've casually talked with other people, and it seems I'm not really alone here. My dream box would be 96xSFP + 2xQSFP28, with pretty much full edge features (BGP, LDP, ISIS, +1M FIB, +5M RIB, per-interface VLANs, ipfix or sflow, at least per-port QoS with shaper, martini pseudowires).
What about the Huawei NE20E-S2F/NE40E-M2F? 4 * SFP+ and 40 * SFP fixed ports and two PICs with either 4*SFP+ or 1*QSFP each. Decent FIB. Not really sure about the IPFIX/sflow thought. Pricing seems very aggresive on these devices as well. -- Harald
On 17 June 2016 at 13:10, Harald F. Karlsen <elfkin@gmail.com> wrote:
What about the Huawei NE20E-S2F/NE40E-M2F? 4 * SFP+ and 40 * SFP fixed ports and two PICs with either 4*SFP+ or 1*QSFP each. Decent FIB. Not really sure about the IPFIX/sflow thought. Pricing seems very aggresive on these devices as well.
Last I checked you can't commit/replace configuration in VRP. Has this changed? Can you give it full new config and expect it to figure out how to apply the new config without breaking existing? I'm definitely not excluding Huawei. No 1GE PICs? Can you give indicative pricing, what is aggressive pricing? Are these under 5k? -- ++ytti
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016, at 12:43, Saku Ytti wrote:
Last I checked you can't commit/replace configuration in VRP. Has this changed? Can you give it full new config and expect it to figure out how to apply the new config without breaking existing?
... later...
Yeah it's best I've seen. 8-10k isn't anything special.
I suppose that's the reason I didn't see the Brocade CER-RT (some time ago best-seller) listed. Probably the lack of need for full-table FIB also counts.
What size FIB/RIB table does that Huawei have? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:10 AM, Harald F. Karlsen <elfkin@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16.06.2016 09:51, Saku Ytti wrote:
Hey,
I've been bit poking around trying to find reasonable option for 1GE L3 full BGP table aggregator. It seems vendors are mostly pushing Satellite/Fusion for this application.
I don't really like the added complexity and tight coupling Satellite/Fusion forces me. I'd prefer standards based routing redundancy to reduce impact of defects.
ASR9001 and MX104 are not an options, due to control-plane scale. New boxes in vendor pipeline are completely ignoring 1GE.
I've casually talked with other people, and it seems I'm not really alone here. My dream box would be 96xSFP + 2xQSFP28, with pretty much full edge features (BGP, LDP, ISIS, +1M FIB, +5M RIB, per-interface VLANs, ipfix or sflow, at least per-port QoS with shaper, martini pseudowires).
What about the Huawei NE20E-S2F/NE40E-M2F? 4 * SFP+ and 40 * SFP fixed ports and two PICs with either 4*SFP+ or 1*QSFP each. Decent FIB. Not really sure about the IPFIX/sflow thought. Pricing seems very aggresive on these devices as well.
-- Harald
Whats the price piont though? Is that the router he was saying in 15K range? On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Saku Ytti <saku@ytti.fi> wrote:
On 17 June 2016 at 15:58, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What size FIB/RIB table does that Huawei have?
It has 25M RIB and 4M FIB. Same Solar NPU as their largest kit.
-- ++ytti
On 17 June 2016 at 16:17, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Whats the price piont though? Is that the router he was saying in 15K range?
I'm all Shania Twain on 15k. I've seen people buy MX80 for bit over 3k, this isn't that much denser. 5k would impress me much. -- ++ytti
Thats some extreme level of unheard discount to get a full MX80 for 3K. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Saku Ytti <saku@ytti.fi> wrote:
On 17 June 2016 at 16:17, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Whats the price piont though? Is that the router he was saying in 15K range?
I'm all Shania Twain on 15k.
I've seen people buy MX80 for bit over 3k, this isn't that much denser. 5k would impress me much.
-- ++ytti
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