Ok, we have an opportunity to get Qwest bandwidth amazingly cheap. I can't disclose the details (NDA), but bottom line is it looks like the cheapest in the industry and because there is no loop involved, it could be one hell of a deal on a ds3. I'm not a fan of Qwest, traditionally. I've had some (somewhat famous) run-ins with their sales people, and I personally know plenty of companies who over several years have had tons of complaints with various aspects of their organization. However, I'm not interested in all of that at the moment. I need to evaulate, without all of my longheld bias, whether or not Qwest can provide quality DS3 transit. The traditional knock on Qwest is that they're an over-built under-peered network with poor support. But a lot of time has passed, so surely they would have addressed the peering issues by now? I can deal with poor support...the circuit is a simple cross connect, and our bgp filter changes are fairly uncommon. Can anybody speak positively or negatively about the quality of Qwest transit? We ordered a metered ds3 for a backup circuit, but with the pricing I'm seeing, I'm really tempted to localpref and prepend our announcements such that most of the traffic flows through Qwest. I plan on trying it out regardless, but I'd like to hear from the list first. Thanks, Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Andy Dills wrote:
Ok, we have an opportunity to get Qwest bandwidth amazingly cheap. [...] Can anybody speak positively or negatively about the quality of Qwest
You may want to also consider economic factors, as described in this article: http://www.forbes.com/2002/04/02/0402metromedia.html?partner=yahoo&referrer= --Mitch NetSide
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:45:32PM -0500, Andy Dills wrote:
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Can anybody speak positively or negatively about the quality of Qwest transit? We ordered a metered ds3 for a backup circuit, but with the pricing I'm seeing, I'm really tempted to localpref and prepend our announcements such that most of the traffic flows through Qwest. I plan on trying it out regardless, but I'd like to hear from the list first.
I do not buy Qwest trasit, so I can't attest to their quality directly. However, I do live in former US West territory. Don't forget that in this 14 state region, interLATA connections for Qwest are handled by a third party (generally TouchAmerica for IP connectivity from what I've seen). That fact may, or may not, mean anything to you. If you goal is to reach me, it may be discouraging - but I doubt it. -- John Osmon "When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your john@osmon.net attitude towards him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better or for worse, you have acted decisively. In fact, the next move is up to him." - R.A. Lafferty
Andy, Qwest is handing out "bargain" deals like hotcakes these days... But before you get lured in ask yourself.. are you willing to buy from other non tier-1 providers? It isn't hard to find pipe under 50/meg these days if you stroke your local sales monkey properly. Also, look around at other folks like Sprint.. they are right in line with Q-mess pricing and offer quite a bit more for it. And finally, you have to wonder how long Q-tip can offer LD and circuit switched pricing at a loss before dragging the rest of the company down with it. Lets face it, the packet side of the house was always a bit shabby and it seems that all they have done is let it age..... IMHO, you can find better price, better service and better quality in other places. -- Shawn Solomon Senior State Networks Engineer Indiana Telecommunications Network & IHETS INDnet 317.263.8875 www.ind.net fx: 317.263.8831 On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Andy Dills wrote:
Ok, we have an opportunity to get Qwest bandwidth amazingly cheap. I can't disclose the details (NDA), but bottom line is it looks like the cheapest in the industry and because there is no loop involved, it could be one hell of a deal on a ds3.
I'm not a fan of Qwest, traditionally. I've had some (somewhat famous) run-ins with their sales people, and I personally know plenty of companies who over several years have had tons of complaints with various aspects of their organization.
However, I'm not interested in all of that at the moment. I need to evaulate, without all of my longheld bias, whether or not Qwest can provide quality DS3 transit. The traditional knock on Qwest is that they're an over-built under-peered network with poor support. But a lot of time has passed, so surely they would have addressed the peering issues by now? I can deal with poor support...the circuit is a simple cross connect, and our bgp filter changes are fairly uncommon.
Can anybody speak positively or negatively about the quality of Qwest transit? We ordered a metered ds3 for a backup circuit, but with the pricing I'm seeing, I'm really tempted to localpref and prepend our announcements such that most of the traffic flows through Qwest. I plan on trying it out regardless, but I'd like to hear from the list first.
Thanks, Andy
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
Hmm. There is alot of speculation that their network is largely subsidized by their Yellow Pages franchise. Let your fingers do the walking, et al. - Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Shawn Solomon Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:24 PM To: Andy Dills Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Qwest Transit Andy, Qwest is handing out "bargain" deals like hotcakes these days... But before you get lured in ask yourself.. are you willing to buy from other non tier-1 providers? It isn't hard to find pipe under 50/meg these days if you stroke your local sales monkey properly. Also, look around at other folks like Sprint.. they are right in line with Q-mess pricing and offer quite a bit more for it. And finally, you have to wonder how long Q-tip can offer LD and circuit switched pricing at a loss before dragging the rest of the company down with it. Lets face it, the packet side of the house was always a bit shabby and it seems that all they have done is let it age..... IMHO, you can find better price, better service and better quality in other places. -- Shawn Solomon Senior State Networks Engineer Indiana Telecommunications Network & IHETS INDnet 317.263.8875 www.ind.net fx: 317.263.8831 On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Andy Dills wrote:
Ok, we have an opportunity to get Qwest bandwidth amazingly cheap. I can't disclose the details (NDA), but bottom line is it looks like the cheapest in the industry and because there is no loop involved, it could be one hell of a deal on a ds3.
I'm not a fan of Qwest, traditionally. I've had some (somewhat famous) run-ins with their sales people, and I personally know plenty of companies who over several years have had tons of complaints with various aspects of their organization.
However, I'm not interested in all of that at the moment. I need to evaulate, without all of my longheld bias, whether or not Qwest can provide quality DS3 transit. The traditional knock on Qwest is that they're an over-built under-peered network with poor support. But a lot of time has passed, so surely they would have addressed the peering issues by now? I can deal with poor support...the circuit is a simple cross connect, and our bgp filter changes are fairly uncommon.
Can anybody speak positively or negatively about the quality of Qwest transit? We ordered a metered ds3 for a backup circuit, but with the pricing I'm seeing, I'm really tempted to localpref and prepend our announcements such that most of the traffic flows through Qwest. I plan on trying it out regardless, but I'd like to hear from the list first.
Thanks, Andy
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
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