On Sunday, March 02, 1997 4:15 AM, Nathan Stratton[SMTP:nathan@netrail.net] wrote: @ On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Sean Donelan wrote: @ @ Number of routes, I know of 2 ISPs that we provided access to that were @ mad because the nic gave them /19 and not /18. The providers are now out @ of business and there are 2 /19 not being used, but at least they are not @ /18. If the provider did get larger the nic would have gladly taken back @ the /19 and given them a /18. @ If there were regional IP registries that had an economic incentive to reclaim those 2 /19s, then those would be recycled and reused. If you accept that people are going to fail, then you have to plan in advance for taking allocations back, or better yet, not renewing the lease. This happens in real estate with office space all the time. Many buildings do not fragment their space because they have a hard time leasing small spaces. Again, there are economic and market-based reasons for this. It would be nice if the same could be said for IP addresses. The ARIN discussions (http://www.arin.net) focus on some of these topics. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net JimFleming@unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)
On Sunday, March 02, 1997 4:15 AM, Nathan Stratton[SMTP:nathan@netrail.net] wrote: @ On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Sean Donelan wrote: @ @ Number of routes, I know of 2 ISPs that we provided access to that were @ mad because the nic gave them /19 and not /18. The providers are now out @ of business and there are 2 /19 not being used, but at least they are not @ /18. If the provider did get larger the nic would have gladly taken back @ the /19 and given them a /18. @
If there were regional IP registries that had an economic incentive to reclaim those 2 /19s, then those would be recycled and reused.
If you accept that people are going to fail, then you have to plan in advance for taking allocations back, or better yet, not renewing the lease. This happens in real estate with office space all the time.
Many buildings do not fragment their space because they have a hard time leasing small spaces. Again, there are economic and market-based reasons for this. It would be nice if the same could be said for IP addresses.
The ARIN discussions (http://www.arin.net) focus on some of these topics.
Actually, the ARIN mailing list is not the place to discuss this, the PAGAN list is. I do agree that something needs to be done to begin recapturing unused space, especially from those organizations no longer in business. This issue was raised in the IRE/PAGAN BOF at the last IETF and needs to continue being seriously discussed. Kim
-- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation
e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net JimFleming@unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)
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