While I try not let fork lifts drive around much in CO's I've been responsible for :), I have seen more then once, a device ( I'll not mention the vendors, yes plural) smoke out before, not real fires, but enough to destroy a box. Now does the frequency of such events justify the cost of have dual routers everywhere, ( 2 times in 1000's of devices over almost 10 years)I'm not sure, I'll leave that up to upper management. I just build according to the dollars I have available. -Jim On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Neil J. McRae wrote:

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Anyone doing this in their network? Is there validity in the claims in this white paper? Anyone looked at the Alcatel product that apparently funded this paper?

I'd believe the numbers in this, what I don't believe yet though is that there are products available that true give the same level of redundancy that having two boxes does...

I've always found that these types of papers and products always miss one big area of failure, at least in my experience. What happens when the highly redundant device is skewered by a fork lift? Yes, I've had this happen. At least if you have a dual router config, and separate those routers physically, you have a chance of surviving such problems. -- Brandon Ross AIM: BrandonNR VP Operations ICQ: 2269442 Sockeye Networks