Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange at any of their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if people really love or hate it. -shac
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange at any of their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if people really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC , they seem to be the largest IX per https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=5&peerParticipantsPublicsOrder=Sorter_policy&peerParticipantsPublicsDir=DESC so being there while you are in that location seems good, and they are reliable. mehmet
What are the layer 8-9 issues? Drive Slow, Paul Wall On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange at any of their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if people really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC , they seem to be the largest IX
per
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and they are reliable.
mehmet
politics, finance... On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Paul WALL <pauldotwall@gmail.com> wrote:
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange at any
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
of people
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC , they seem to be the largest IX
per
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and they are
reliable.
mehmet
http://www.isc.org/store/logoware-clothing/isc-9-layer-osi-model-cotton-t-sh... --bill On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:01:39AM -0800, Steve Miller wrote:
politics, finance...
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Paul WALL <pauldotwall@gmail.com> wrote:
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange at any
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
of people
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC , they seem to be the largest IX
per
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and they are
reliable.
mehmet
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul WALL [mailto:pauldotwall@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55 AM To: Mehmet Akcin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange at
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
any of people
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC , they seem to be the largest IX
per
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=5&peerParticipan tsPublicsOrder=Sorter_policy&peerParticipantsPublicsDir=DESC
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and they
are reliable.
mehmet
Paul is pretty clueful; I think he was asking for specifics as to what the layer 8/9 issues are at Equinix, rather than an explanation of what layer 8 and 9 means. "Fly Fast", -r Justin Horstman <justin.horstman@gorillanation.com> writes:
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul WALL [mailto:pauldotwall@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55 AM To: Mehmet Akcin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange at
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
any of people
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC , they seem to be the largest IX
per
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=5&peerParticipan tsPublicsOrder=Sorter_policy&peerParticipantsPublicsDir=DESC
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and they
are reliable.
mehmet
I would like to know the issues as well because we are looking to going into at least 4 of their centers. Cheers Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Robert E. Seastrom [mailto:rs@seastrom.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:30 AM To: Justin Horstman Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Mehmet Akcin Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange Paul is pretty clueful; I think he was asking for specifics as to what the layer 8/9 issues are at Equinix, rather than an explanation of what layer 8 and 9 means. "Fly Fast", -r Justin Horstman <justin.horstman@gorillanation.com> writes:
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul WALL [mailto:pauldotwall@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55 AM To: Mehmet Akcin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange at
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
any of people
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC , they seem to be the largest IX
per
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=5&peerParticip an tsPublicsOrder=Sorter_policy&peerParticipantsPublicsDir=DESC
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and they
are reliable.
mehmet
-----Original Message----- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finnesey@HarrierInvestments.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:42 PM To: Robert E. Seastrom; Justin Horstman Cc: Mehmet Akcin; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange
I would like to know the issues as well because we are looking to going into at least 4 of their centers. Cheers Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Robert E. Seastrom [mailto:rs@seastrom.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:30 AM To: Justin Horstman Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Mehmet Akcin Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
Paul is pretty clueful; I think he was asking for specifics as to what the layer 8/9 issues are at Equinix, rather than an explanation of what layer 8 and 9 means.
"Fly Fast",
-r
Justin Horstman <justin.horstman@gorillanation.com> writes:
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul WALL [mailto:pauldotwall@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55 AM To: Mehmet Akcin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
at any of people
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC ,
seem to be the largest IX
per
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=5&peerParticip
an tsPublicsOrder=Sorter_policy&peerParticipantsPublicsDir=DESC
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and
I haven't had any specific problems with them but they are a bit retentive when it comes to doing certain things. There was the RMA module that arrived one day. You have to initiate a "shipping ticket" when you think something might arrive. In other words, you must open a ticket with them BEFORE something arrives there which can sometimes be a bit difficult when you are building out a new facility as you have no idea who is going to ship what when. They have eased up on that a little in the past few months, at least at 11 Great Oaks. Not a showstopper, just a bit of a pain in the hips, one more little thing that needs doing and is easily overlooked. After I replaced that module I went to drop it off at the shipping area, it came with a return shipper so there wasn't really anything needed beyond them handing the box to the UPS guy next time he came by ... another remote hands ticket required for me to hand them a box and for them to hand the box to someone else. I suppose I could have dropped it off myself at a UPS bin on the way home. BUT, I am overall very pleased with the facility and the operation. There are little quirky things that make it somewhat of a pain but in my experience each provider has their own quirks. At least I can take my modules in there in the cardboard box, unlike Savvis at 4700 Old Ironsides where they have a box cop who won't allow a speck of cardboard past the sign-in window. they they
are reliable.
mehmet
On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:48 AM, George Bonser wrote:
I haven't had any specific problems with them but they are a bit retentive when it comes to doing certain things. There was the RMA module that arrived one day. You have to initiate a "shipping ticket" when you think something might arrive. In other words, you must open a ticket with them BEFORE something arrives there which can sometimes be a bit difficult when you are building out a new facility as you have no idea who is going to ship what when. They have eased up on that a little in the past few months, at least at 11 Great Oaks. Not a showstopper, just a bit of a pain in the hips, one more little thing that needs doing and is easily overlooked.
I have found that you can (if you call the NOC rather than using their portal) explain "We're expecting a whole lot of stuff from the following vendors over the next <n> days." and that works just fine for the shipping ticket problem when you're building out a new facility. Trying to do this through their portal, well, down that path lies madness.
After I replaced that module I went to drop it off at the shipping area, it came with a return shipper so there wasn't really anything needed beyond them handing the box to the UPS guy next time he came by ... another remote hands ticket required for me to hand them a box and for them to hand the box to someone else. I suppose I could have dropped it off myself at a UPS bin on the way home.
Depending on the type of UPS call tag, uh, yeah... Maybe. Yes, Equinix is anal about wanting a ticket for everything. This isn't a bad thing in a datacenter provider IMHO. It means nothing falls through the cracks because you have a record of everything you expected them to do.
BUT, I am overall very pleased with the facility and the operation. There are little quirky things that make it somewhat of a pain but in my experience each provider has their own quirks. At least I can take my modules in there in the cardboard box, unlike Savvis at 4700 Old Ironsides where they have a box cop who won't allow a speck of cardboard past the sign-in window.
ROFL Yep... It's even more annoying when you know why. Owen
-----Original Message----- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finnesey@HarrierInvestments.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:42 PM To: Robert E. Seastrom; Justin Horstman Cc: Mehmet Akcin; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange
I would like to know the issues as well because we are looking to going into at least 4 of their centers. Cheers Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Robert E. Seastrom [mailto:rs@seastrom.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:30 AM To: Justin Horstman Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Mehmet Akcin Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
Paul is pretty clueful; I think he was asking for specifics as to what the layer 8/9 issues are at Equinix, rather than an explanation of what layer 8 and 9 means.
"Fly Fast",
-r
Justin Horstman <justin.horstman@gorillanation.com> writes:
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul WALL [mailto:pauldotwall@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55 AM To: Mehmet Akcin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC ,
at any of people they seem to be the largest IX
per
an tsPublicsOrder=Sorter_policy&peerParticipantsPublicsDir=DESC
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=5&peerParticip they
are reliable.
mehmet
I have found that you can (if you call the NOC rather than using their portal) explain "We're expecting a whole lot of stuff from the following vendors over the next <n> days." and that works just fine for the shipping ticket problem when you're building out a new facility.
And that is exactly what ended up happening. But it turns out that we probably weren't the only ones and they have since modified their policy somewhat to be more accommodating.
Trying to do this through their portal, well, down that path lies madness.
Yeah, that thing can put you into a region of twisty turny tunnels.
Depending on the type of UPS call tag, uh, yeah... Maybe.
It wasn't a "call tag", it came with a completely filled out shipping label. I could have simply dropped it off. But not really a big deal, I just happened to be in a hurry that day and learned only at the last second that I needed to open a ticket. Just a little frustrating under the particular circumstances of that particular day. Not a big deal.
ROFL Yep... It's even more annoying when you know why.
They cite some issue with the "fire marshal" but don't all the data centers in the region have the same fire marshal with the same fire regulations? Why they behave differently, I have no idea. It isn't that hard to put a trash cart in the facility where people can dispose of the packing material after installation. It can get worrisome when I have several modules exposed on a cart. If one falls off it can be an incident costing many thousands of dollars depending on what it is.
Would it be fair to say they run most of the peering points within the States? I find that peering within Europe is much more open than in the States. Does the group feel that is because most of the exchange points are run as nonprofits? -----Original Message----- From: George Bonser [mailto:gbonser@seven.com] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:48 AM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange I haven't had any specific problems with them but they are a bit retentive when it comes to doing certain things. There was the RMA module that arrived one day. You have to initiate a "shipping ticket" when you think something might arrive. In other words, you must open a ticket with them BEFORE something arrives there which can sometimes be a bit difficult when you are building out a new facility as you have no idea who is going to ship what when. They have eased up on that a little in the past few months, at least at 11 Great Oaks. Not a showstopper, just a bit of a pain in the hips, one more little thing that needs doing and is easily overlooked. After I replaced that module I went to drop it off at the shipping area, it came with a return shipper so there wasn't really anything needed beyond them handing the box to the UPS guy next time he came by ... another remote hands ticket required for me to hand them a box and for them to hand the box to someone else. I suppose I could have dropped it off myself at a UPS bin on the way home. BUT, I am overall very pleased with the facility and the operation. There are little quirky things that make it somewhat of a pain but in my experience each provider has their own quirks. At least I can take my modules in there in the cardboard box, unlike Savvis at 4700 Old Ironsides where they have a box cop who won't allow a speck of cardboard past the sign-in window.
-----Original Message----- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finnesey@HarrierInvestments.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:42 PM To: Robert E. Seastrom; Justin Horstman Cc: Mehmet Akcin; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange
I would like to know the issues as well because we are looking to going into at least 4 of their centers. Cheers Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Robert E. Seastrom [mailto:rs@seastrom.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:30 AM To: Justin Horstman Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Mehmet Akcin Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
Paul is pretty clueful; I think he was asking for specifics as to what
the layer 8/9 issues are at Equinix, rather than an explanation of what layer 8 and 9 means.
"Fly Fast",
-r
Justin Horstman <justin.horstman@gorillanation.com> writes:
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul WALL [mailto:pauldotwall@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55 AM To: Mehmet Akcin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC ,
at any of people they seem to be the largest IX
per
an tsPublicsOrder=Sorter_policy&peerParticipantsPublicsDir=DESC
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=5&peerParticip they
are reliable.
mehmet
According to pch they don't run most of them. I would say they run very few compared to how many there actually are. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@HarrierInvestments.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 21:45:28 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange Would it be fair to say they run most of the peering points within the States? I find that peering within Europe is much more open than in the States. Does the group feel that is because most of the exchange points are run as nonprofits? -----Original Message----- From: George Bonser [mailto:gbonser@seven.com] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:48 AM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange I haven't had any specific problems with them but they are a bit retentive when it comes to doing certain things. There was the RMA module that arrived one day. You have to initiate a "shipping ticket" when you think something might arrive. In other words, you must open a ticket with them BEFORE something arrives there which can sometimes be a bit difficult when you are building out a new facility as you have no idea who is going to ship what when. They have eased up on that a little in the past few months, at least at 11 Great Oaks. Not a showstopper, just a bit of a pain in the hips, one more little thing that needs doing and is easily overlooked. After I replaced that module I went to drop it off at the shipping area, it came with a return shipper so there wasn't really anything needed beyond them handing the box to the UPS guy next time he came by ... another remote hands ticket required for me to hand them a box and for them to hand the box to someone else. I suppose I could have dropped it off myself at a UPS bin on the way home. BUT, I am overall very pleased with the facility and the operation. There are little quirky things that make it somewhat of a pain but in my experience each provider has their own quirks. At least I can take my modules in there in the cardboard box, unlike Savvis at 4700 Old Ironsides where they have a box cop who won't allow a speck of cardboard past the sign-in window.
-----Original Message----- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finnesey@HarrierInvestments.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:42 PM To: Robert E. Seastrom; Justin Horstman Cc: Mehmet Akcin; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange
I would like to know the issues as well because we are looking to going into at least 4 of their centers. Cheers Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Robert E. Seastrom [mailto:rs@seastrom.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:30 AM To: Justin Horstman Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Mehmet Akcin Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
Paul is pretty clueful; I think he was asking for specifics as to what
the layer 8/9 issues are at Equinix, rather than an explanation of what layer 8 and 9 means.
"Fly Fast",
-r
Justin Horstman <justin.horstman@gorillanation.com> writes:
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul WALL [mailto:pauldotwall@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55 AM To: Mehmet Akcin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet@akcin.net> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC ,
at any of people they seem to be the largest IX
per
an tsPublicsOrder=Sorter_policy&peerParticipantsPublicsDir=DESC
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=5&peerParticip they
are reliable.
mehmet
I was getting my info from peeringdb I have not yet looked into PCH yet. From: Aaron Wendel [mailto:aaron@wholesaleinternet.net] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:10 PM To: Ryan Finnesey; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange According to pch they don't run most of them. I would say they run very few compared to how many there actually are. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@HarrierInvestments.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 21:45:28 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange Would it be fair to say they run most of the peering points within the States? I find that peering within Europe is much more open than in the States. Does the group feel that is because most of the exchange points are run as nonprofits? -----Original Message----- From: George Bonser [mailto:gbonser@seven.com] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:48 AM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange I haven't had any specific problems with them but they are a bit retentive when it comes to doing certain things. There was the RMA module that arrived one day. You have to initiate a "shipping ticket" when you think something might arrive. In other words, you must open a ticket with them BEFORE something arrives there which can sometimes be a bit difficult when you are building out a new facility as you have no idea who is going to ship what when. They have eased up on that a little in the past few months, at least at 11 Great Oaks. Not a showstopper, just a bit of a pain in the hips, one more little thing that needs doing and is easily overlooked. After I replaced that module I went to drop it off at the shipping area, it came with a return shipper so there wasn't really anything needed beyond them handing the box to the UPS guy next time he came by ... another remote hands ticket required for me to hand them a box and for them to hand the box to someone else. I suppose I could have dropped it off myself at a UPS bin on the way home. BUT, I am overall very pleased with the facility and the operation. There are little quirky things that make it somewhat of a pain but in my experience each provider has their own quirks. At least I can take my modules in there in the cardboard box, unlike Savvis at 4700 Old Ironsides where they have a box cop who won't allow a speck of cardboard past the sign-in window.
-----Original Message----- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finnesey@HarrierInvestments.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:42 PM To: Robert E. Seastrom; Justin Horstman Cc: Mehmet Akcin; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: experience with equinix exchange
I would like to know the issues as well because we are looking to going into at least 4 of their centers. Cheers Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Robert E. Seastrom [mailto:rs@seastrom.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:30 AM To: Justin Horstman Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Mehmet Akcin Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
Paul is pretty clueful; I think he was asking for specifics as to what
the layer 8/9 issues are at Equinix, rather than an explanation of what layer 8 and 9 means.
"Fly Fast",
-r
Justin Horstman writes:
8 users 9 politics and policies
-----Original Message----- From: Paul WALL [mailto:pauldotwall@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55 AM To: Mehmet Akcin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: experience with equinix exchange
What are the layer 8-9 issues?
Drive Slow, Paul Wall
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Shacolby Jackson wrote:
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with their exchange
their major datacenters, especially Great Oaks? We're wondering if
really love or hate it.
-shac
Equinix does a fair job running 7 layers , however the layer8 and layer9 seem the lacking part which could have been improved greatly. in Great Oaks / SJC ,
at any of people they seem to be the largest IX
per
an tsPublicsOrder=Sorter_policy&peerParticipantsPublicsDir=DESC
so being there while you are in that location seems good, and
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=5&peerParticip they
are reliable.
mehmet
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 04:09:55PM -0600, Aaron Wendel wrote:
According to pch they don't run most of them. I would say they run very few compared to how many there actually are.
Uhh... Reality check, with the S&D acquisition Equinix controls the VAST majority of the IX traffic in the US. The only other IX's doing anything even approaching interesting traffic are NOTA (in Miami), NYIIX (in New York), SIX (in Seattle), and the former AtlantaIX (now Telx TIE) in Atlanta. All are regional players, with very incomplete coverage of the important regions in the US, so if you're peering in the US you're almost guaranteed to be dealing with Equinix. Nobody else is even noteworthy, you can probably do more traffic than the "other" IX's by leaving a bit torrent client running overnight. Anyone can throw a Linksys switch in their basement and call themselves an exchange point, but that doesn't mean anyone is going to show up and peer there. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
On Nov 29, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 04:09:55PM -0600, Aaron Wendel wrote:
According to pch they don't run most of them. I would say they run very few compared to how many there actually are.
Uhh... Reality check, with the S&D acquisition Equinix controls the VAST majority of the IX traffic in the US. The only other IX's doing anything even approaching interesting traffic are NOTA (in Miami), NYIIX (in New York), SIX (in Seattle), and the former AtlantaIX (now Telx TIE) in Atlanta. All are regional players, with very incomplete coverage of the important regions in the US, so if you're peering in the US you're almost guaranteed to be dealing with Equinix.
I might not state things quite as strongly as RAS, but yes, in essence, that's how things stand. There's a very long tail to the IXP curve, but nearly all of the traffic volume in North America is going through Equinix-operated facilities, at this point. RAS has mentioned the main other ones, and I'd probably only add Toronto and CoreSite to the list. -Bill
On Nov 29, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Nov 29, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 04:09:55PM -0600, Aaron Wendel wrote:
According to pch they don't run most of them. I would say they run very few compared to how many there actually are.
Uhh... Reality check, with the S&D acquisition Equinix controls the VAST majority of the IX traffic in the US. The only other IX's doing anything even approaching interesting traffic are NOTA (in Miami), NYIIX (in New York), SIX (in Seattle), and the former AtlantaIX (now Telx TIE) in Atlanta. All are regional players, with very incomplete coverage of the important regions in the US, so if you're peering in the US you're almost guaranteed to be dealing with Equinix.
I might not state things quite as strongly as RAS, but yes, in essence, that's how things stand. There's a very long tail to the IXP curve, but nearly all of the traffic volume in North America is going through Equinix-operated facilities, at this point. RAS has mentioned the main other ones, and I'd probably only add Toronto and CoreSite to the list.
The only thing I would change is that Any2 has at least one exchange with traffic (Los Angeles) and is distributed throughout the country. But the vast majority of traffic exchange over IXes in the US is over Equinix/PAIX switches. And a very large amount of traffic over private interconnects is also done in their buildings. -- TTFN, patrick
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 04:03:21PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only thing I would change is that Any2 has at least one exchange with traffic (Los Angeles) and is distributed throughout the country.
But the vast majority of traffic exchange over IXes in the US is over Equinix/PAIX switches. And a very large amount of traffic over private interconnects is also done in their buildings.
Woops, yes I forgot Any2 (how'd that happen? :P). Like Telx they've recently deployed a bunch of new exchanges "all over", but there is really only the one that does any traffic. :) For comparison purposes: http://www.seattleix.net/agg.htm http://www.nyiix.net/index.php?core=statistics.php http://tie.telx.com/usage.pl http://www.coresite.com/peering-any2charts.php I don't think the combined Equinix / S&D numbers are published publicly anywhere, but I'm sure it's north of a terabit. :) -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
On Nov 29, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 04:03:21PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The only thing I would change is that Any2 has at least one exchange with traffic (Los Angeles) and is distributed throughout the country.
But the vast majority of traffic exchange over IXes in the US is over Equinix/PAIX switches. And a very large amount of traffic over private interconnects is also done in their buildings.
Woops, yes I forgot Any2 (how'd that happen? :P). Like Telx they've recently deployed a bunch of new exchanges "all over", but there is really only the one that does any traffic. :)
For comparison purposes:
http://www.seattleix.net/agg.htm http://www.nyiix.net/index.php?core=statistics.php http://tie.telx.com/usage.pl http://www.coresite.com/peering-any2charts.php
I don't think the combined Equinix / S&D numbers are published publicly anywhere, but I'm sure it's north of a terabit. :)
Even combined, no. It's north of 700 Gbps though. I am assuming they have combined S&D into the graph, though: <https://ix.equinix.com/peeringstats/userHome.do?action=home> Given that Any2 is in the 200 range, Equinix is clearly more - more than all four combined. But all the traffic on every Equinix and PAIX switch combined, is still lower than the traffic on any one of the three large exchanges in Europe. It really is all about the PNIs. -- TTFN, patrick
On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Even combined, no. It's north of 700 Gbps though. I am assuming they have combined S&D into the graph, though:
<https://ix.equinix.com/peeringstats/userHome.do?action=home>
Given that Any2 is in the 200 range, Equinix is clearly more - more than all four combined.
But all the traffic on every Equinix and PAIX switch combined, is still lower than the traffic on any one of the three large exchanges in Europe. It really is all about the PNIs.
I wonder how is NOTA like, do they ever make the traffic info public? Mehmet
Re, mehmet@akcin.net (Mehmet Akcin) wrote:
But all the traffic on every Equinix and PAIX switch combined, is still lower than the traffic on any one of the three large exchanges in Europe. It really is all about the PNIs. I wonder how is NOTA like, do they ever make the traffic info public?
Not really, but that's probably typical. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-58/content/presentations/Snowhorn-NOT... mentions 170+Gbps for NOTA, but that was 1.5 years ago. Yours, Elmar. -- "Machen Sie sich erst einmal unbeliebt. Dann werden Sie auch ernstgenommen." (Konrad Adenauer) --------------------------------------------------------------[ ELMI-RIPE ]---
Am 29.11.2010 20:44, schrieb Richard A Steenbergen:
Uhh... Reality check, with the S&D acquisition Equinix controls the VAST majority of the IX traffic in the US. [...]
I was actually quite surprised that, when the merger of Equinix and S&D was announced, no competition commission woke up and regulated it. An order could have been for example the independence of the former PAIX exchanges. I don't think in Europe a merger of AMSIX, LINX and DECIX would be accepted by the EU competition commission. Though these three exchanges are not for profit, which is, of course, another background. Fredy Künzler Init7 / AS13030
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