maVrGwPZaz4jdoIjJ9A4hBgzSq+yl6JBFNhTKV8I+SwjkHYfgGsG5cQZCGWAu9IGCjf81to60Uyn1BXV QafOGul622fGOIeD74S6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:c ontent-type:references; b=ggKI5Nz/m2jhmHtIe8X+DX8gcJxujs/Ohm+0cDbkt9UUW94IzYNVlX/SW3/9FzUh/xfX/T t9g9kR7IaYCbljdVHFsbwuukXaeuBrd4InSLp+niAgf/qn4OIjjNakLT/mN5PpvBnh/MONsGoYM2BRnF SRzf2XBOR+3FfE3xACR0Y= Received: by 10.82.136.4 with SMTP id j4mr1842820bud.1184329276534; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.172.9 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7bb79a490707130521i2b36be3l6143f05c01a8f2b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:21:16 -0400 From: "micky coughes" <coughes@gmail.com> To: "Robert Blayzor" <rblayzor@inoc.net> Subject: Re: peter lothberg's mother slashdotted Cc: nanog@nanog.org In-Reply-To: <46975F0F.4030707@inoc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31524_28635658.1184329276318" References: <12997.1184264272@sa.vix.com> <20070712133910.B8475@sprockets.gibbard.org> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707122342300.29164@uplift.swm.pp.se> <4696AB85.1030407@inoc.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707130039220.29164@uplift.swm.pp.se> <4696B668.2080807@inoc.net> <4696C8DA.3070101@bogus.com> <4696D017.7010100@inoc.net> <7bb79a490707122006g767c3d42u88e84d5782545355@mail.gmail.com> <46975F0F.4030707@inoc.net> Sender: owner-nanog@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu X-Loop: nanog X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mozart.merit.edu X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090202.46976F28.0126:SCGAP167720,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=198.108.1.26, so=2006-09-22 03:48:54, dmn=5.3.14/2007-05-31 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: NonJunk X-UID: 59 ------=_Part_31524_28635658.1184329276318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 7/13/07, Robert Blayzor <rblayzor@inoc.net> wrote:

micky coughes wrote:

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I can see that *everybody* is missing the point on Peter's exercise. Clearly this is to show to the telcos of the world that you can upgrade to a native IP infrastructure and absorb the existing transport into the router with a minimal effort. There was a post here from someone that was there that explained how simple it was. This is HUGE! This has the potential to completely disrupt telco transport dinosaur groups *and* reshape the future. Taking it to his mom's house is just a poke in the telco eye, he is making fun of them. This then begs the question why can they do it between their facilities? If one guy can do it to a *house* it must not be that hard. However, telcos with transport groups of 1000s can't pull this off, this little project states volumes.

There may be some telco's out there that don't know these types of technologies are out there. But for many, they are quiet aware. The fact is 10G seems a lot more economically feasible right now. Maybe if 40G, OC768 WDM line cards didn't cost over a quarter million dollars each there would be more deployments of it. The rate and cost of facility upgrades are far surpassing the means to make the ROI models work.

-Robert

Of course they know 40G exists, read the press releases. It is how it is implemented is the intersting thing. Instead of relpacing all of DWDM systems from 10->40G it looks like it was done to *one* window. Go run the nummbers on the follwoing models: 1. Replace 10G system to 40G + assorted new mux gear for existing circuits + 40G router card + opex 2. Remove one transponder + stratalight + 40G router card + opex 3. Existing 10G system + silly iMux 4x10G + 40G router card + opex (zero gain in system capacity) 4. Remove one transponder + 40G DWDM router card + opex (the opex on this one is huge because you start to elimiated a large number of bodies to maintain #1, #2 or #3) If you work for a telco go to your transport group and suggest #4 and listen to their bell shaped heads ring. ------=_Part_31524_28635658.1184329276318 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <br><br> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/13/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Robert Bl ayzor</b> <<a href="mailto:rblayzor@inoc.net">rblayzor@inoc.net</a>> wrote :</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0. 8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>micky coughes wrote:<br>> I can see tha t *everybody* is missing the point on Peter's exercise.<br> > Clearly this is to show to the telcos of the world that you can upgrade<br> > to a native IP infrastructure and absorb the existing transport into the<br

> router with a minimal effort.  There was a post here from someon e that <br>> was there that explained how simple it was.   This is HUGE!&n bsp; This has<br>> the potential to completely disrupt telco transport d inosaur groups<br>> *and* reshape the future.  Taking it to his mom 's house is just a poke <br>> in the telco eye, he is making fun of them.  This then begs t he question<br>> why can they do it between their facilities?  If o ne guy can do it to a<br>> *house* it must not be that hard.  Howev er, telcos with transport groups <br>> of 1000s can't pull this off, this little project states volumes.<b r><br><br>There may be some telco's out there that don't know these type s of<br>technologies are out there.  But for many, they are quiet awar e.  The <br>fact is 10G seems a lot more economically feasible right now.  May be if<br>40G, OC768 WDM line cards didn't cost over a quarter million dollar s<br>each there would be more deployments of it.  The rate and cost of <br> facility upgrades are far surpassing the means to make the ROI models work.<br>< br>-Robert<br></blockquote></div> <div><br>Of course they know 40G exists, read the press releases.  It is ho w it is implemented is the intersting thing.</div> <div> </div> <div>Instead of relpacing all of DWDM systems from 10->40G it looks like it w as done to *one* window.  Go run the nummbers on the follwoing models:</div

<div> </div> <div>1. Replace 10G system to 40G + assorted new mux gear for existing circuits + 40G router card + opex</div> <div>2. Remove one transponder + stratalight + 40G router card + opex</div> <div>3. Existing 10G system + silly iMux 4x10G + 40G router card + opex (ze ro gain in system capacity)</div> <div>4. Remove one transponder + 40G DWDM router card + opex (the opex on this o ne is huge because you start to elimiated a large number of bodies to maintain # 1, #2 or #3)</div> <div> </div> <div>If you work for a telco go to your transport group and suggest #4 and liste n to their bell shaped heads ring.</div> <div> </div> ------=_Part_31524_28635658.1184329276318--