I agree w/ Vince Fuller - We need a stronger picture of the agenda and intended audience. However, the worse possible outcome would be for half of us to go to one, and half to go to the other. Especially since this precisely cancels the charges of both meetings. (I assume the agenda and intended audience overlap, and that few people could go to both). Are there people who already hold tickets to NANOG? Could we/NCAR invite ISOC to attend the already scheduled NANOG? How many non NA nets are not represented at NANOG? Would having non-operators present diminish NANOG's effectiveness by making people less candid about their own problems? Can real problems be addressed at all with customers present? How about just a delegation from ISOC? The iesg? The IAB? I feel strongly that the NANOG community should come to a consensus, and in a show of unity, act on it as a block. Lets keep an open mind, but agree to commit before Christmas (6+ weeks before NANOG). BTW: my personal feeling is that NANOG can not afford to de-focus by meeting under an external agenda at any time soon. Best would be to have one meeting and allocate some time to address the ISOC issues. It also feels to me like there may be a serious miss understanding - although the title seems to be addressed to NANOG and friends, the content looks more like something our management should attend. I can't imagine much more cooperation at the NANOG level, unless we all come to work for the same employer. :-) --MM-- ---------------- Return-Path: list-admin@merit.edu Received: from merit.edu by mailer.psc.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C 11/12/92 nydick) id AA07697; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:42:54 -0500 Received: (from epg@localhost) by merit.edu (8.6.9/merit-2.0) id BAA07402; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:27:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 01:27:52 -0500 From: Elise Gerich <epg@merit.edu> Message-Id: <199412090627.BAA07402@merit.edu> To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: February Meeting Cc: epg@merit.edu, pam@merit.edu At the last NANOG meeting in Ann Arbor, we decided to have a winter meeting in Boulder, CO. NCAR kindly offered to host the meeting and plans were finalized to have the meeting on Thursday and Friday, February 9 and 10, 1995. ISOC has proposed to host a Operations Conference in February (21-22) in San Diego, CA. The Description and Objectives of the conference are:

The Internet operations environment is undergoing major transitions in architecture, scale, and players worldwide. These transitions are producing many new needs, issues and complex multiple forums with overlapping boundaries. This conference is convened as a means to bring together all the parties and bodies of interest to:

1) identify and discuss the emerging needs, issues and forums through a set of panel sessions and contributions; and

2) take steps toward a set of "multilateral" principles and arrangements among the participants to provide for continued collaboration among all the affected parties for a ubiquitous global Internet.

ISOC has offered to provide meeting rooms for the winter NANOG meeting if we would like to hold the NANOG meeting on the Monday preceeding the Conference. Does the membership of NANOG wish to reschedule our meeting to coincide with ISOC Conference or shall we proceed with the previous plan to hold the meeting on February 9 and 10? --Elise