PI space/filters question
Hello, I'm running a startup ADSL ISP, and I'm like to know what are ARIN/IANA requirements for getting space under 24.* block. Web page says it is for cable ISPs only. However, ADSL is very similar to cable (because it is always-on). So, would it be possible for ADSL ISP to get ip space in 24.* netblock? Are cable/DSL ISPs required to use DHCP for assignment of IPs to customers? Can we give static IPs to people who specifically request them? What are filters of major backbones on announcements in 24.*? Is it /21 or shorter? Actually, I remember seeing a page which listed how each backbone filters all announcements, but I cannot find it now. A pointer would be much appreciated. TIA -alex
On 11/07/99, Alex Pilosov <alex@pilosoft.com> wrote:
I'm running a startup ADSL ISP, and I'm like to know what are ARIN/IANA requirements for getting space under 24.* block.
Is this because you can't get space in other blocks, or...? ---------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@cybernothing.org> =========--------- | "Let them rot on the RBL and let's see which grows on their lifeless | | carcass first... a clue or mold." - Ray Everett-Church | ----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html ==========----
On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, J.D. Falk wrote:
On 11/07/99, Alex Pilosov <alex@pilosoft.com> wrote:
I'm running a startup ADSL ISP, and I'm like to know what are ARIN/IANA requirements for getting space under 24.* block.
Is this because you can't get space in other blocks, or...?
We can. The plan is to get 2 /24s from one upstream and 6 or 8 more from another upstream, once we reach 'arin-acceptable' utilization level of these blocks, get PI /20 from ARIN, and renumber there block. However, I noticed that requirements for initial 24.* block allocation do not specify existing allocations, and thought that sneaky way I might get PI /20 by just specifying our approximate use in 6 months of the address space. -alex
On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 07:49:17PM -0500, Alex Pilosov wrote:
However, I noticed that requirements for initial 24.* block allocation do not specify existing allocations, and thought that sneaky way I might get PI /20 by just specifying our approximate use in 6 months of the address space.
...And since the ARIN folk read this mailing list, I suggest you change the name of your company before trying this now. ;) -- Steve Rubin, Packet Monkey & Pilot - ser@tch.org - http://www.tch.org/~ser/
FWIW, I should think that xDSL providers should be held to the same standards as Cable Internet providers. The similarities between the two (always-on, homes-passed, etc.) are enough that they should have the same criteria. If there is a difference in how they can get PI space, then that's something I think should be addressed. I don't think that trying to get the same methodology for address space assignments is "sneaky" really. My opinion, no one else's. :) D At 06:57 PM 11/7/99 -0800, Steve Rubin wrote:
On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 07:49:17PM -0500, Alex Pilosov wrote:
However, I noticed that requirements for initial 24.* block allocation do not specify existing allocations, and thought that sneaky way I might get PI /20 by just specifying our approximate use in 6 months of the address space.
...And since the ARIN folk read this mailing list, I suggest you change the name of your company before trying this now. ;)
-- Steve Rubin, Packet Monkey & Pilot - ser@tch.org - http://www.tch.org/~ser/
On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 07:49:17PM -0500, Alex Pilosov wrote:
However, I noticed that requirements for initial 24.* block allocation do not specify existing allocations, and thought that sneaky way I might get PI /20 by just specifying our approximate use in 6 months of the address space.
...And since the ARIN folk read this mailing list, I suggest you change the name of your company before trying this now. ;)
Erm, no mischief intended. "Sneaky" was definitely wrong word here. I intended to strictly follow ARIN rules. I was just pointing at the fact that according to ARIN web page, cable ISPs do not have minimum existing allocation requirement. And of course, I'm fully aware that ARIN folk reads this list, which is why I sent my original mail here, with question about ADSL use of 24/8 net ;) -alex
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