I have a ATT fiber line for a customer that has a 300/300 circuit, but its not a MIS they are telling me we cannot route a /26 (they have allocated) to my device behind it. ☹ Any options? [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net How did we do today? [Gold Star]<https://app.customerthermometer.com/?template=log_feedback&hash=5badbac1&embed_data=dGVtcGVyYXR1cmVfaWQ9MSZ0aGVybW9tZXRlcl9pZD0xMTM1NjYmbnBzX3JhdGluZz0tMQ==&e=Anonymous&f=Dennis&l=Burgess&c=&c1=&c2=&c3=&c4=&c5=&c6=&c7=&c8=&c9=&c10=>[Green Light]<https://app.customerthermometer.com/?template=log_feedback&hash=675abe04&embed_data=dGVtcGVyYXR1cmVfaWQ9MiZ0aGVybW9tZXRlcl9pZD0xMTM1NjYmbnBzX3JhdGluZz0tMQ==&e=Anonymous&f=Dennis&l=Burgess&c=&c1=&c2=&c3=&c4=&c5=&c6=&c7=&c8=&c9=&c10=>[Yellow Light]<https://app.customerthermometer.com/?template=log_feedback&hash=e42b48a5&embed_data=dGVtcGVyYXR1cmVfaWQ9MyZ0aGVybW9tZXRlcl9pZD0xMTM1NjYmbnBzX3JhdGluZz0tMQ==&e=Anonymous&f=Dennis&l=Burgess&c=&c1=&c2=&c3=&c4=&c5=&c6=&c7=&c8=&c9=&c10=>[Red Light]<https://app.customerthermometer.com/?template=log_feedback&hash=ecaadcd3&embed_data=dGVtcGVyYXR1cmVfaWQ9NCZ0aGVybW9tZXRlcl9pZD0xMTM1NjYmbnBzX3JhdGluZz0tMQ==&e=Anonymous&f=Dennis&l=Burgess&c=&c1=&c2=&c3=&c4=&c5=&c6=&c7=&c8=&c9=&c10=>
call back, i dont think that's accurate. What is the specific product? On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 7:25 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> wrote:
I have a ATT fiber line for a customer that has a 300/300 circuit, but its not a MIS they are telling me we cannot route a /26 (they have allocated) to my device behind it. ☹ Any options?
*[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
*Dennis Burgess*
* Mikrotik : **Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer*
*Hurricane Electric: **IPv6 Sage Level*
*Cambium: **ePMP*
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
*Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
*Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
*How did we do today?*
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Guess their broadband stuff☹ [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net From: TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:12 PM To: Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS call back, i dont think that's accurate. What is the specific product? On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 7:25 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburgess@linktechs.net>> wrote: I have a ATT fiber line for a customer that has a 300/300 circuit, but its not a MIS they are telling me we cannot route a /26 (they have allocated) to my device behind it. ☹ Any options? Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net How did we do today? <https://app.customerthermometer.com/?template=log_feedback&hash=5badbac1&embed_data=dGVtcGVyYXR1cmVfaWQ9MSZ0aGVybW9tZXRlcl9pZD0xMTM1NjYmbnBzX3JhdGluZz0tMQ==&e=Anonymous&f=Dennis&l=Burgess&c=&c1=&c2=&c3=&c4=&c5=&c6=&c7=&c8=&c9=&c10=>
Yeah not going to happen on U-verse On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:32 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> wrote:
Guess their broadband stuff☹
*[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
*Dennis Burgess*
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
*Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
*Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
*From:* TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us> *Sent:* Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:12 PM *To:* Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS
call back, i dont think that's accurate. What is the specific product?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 7:25 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> wrote:
I have a ATT fiber line for a customer that has a 300/300 circuit, but its not a MIS they are telling me we cannot route a /26 (they have allocated) to my device behind it. ☹ Any options?
*Dennis Burgess*
* Mikrotik : **Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer*
*Hurricane Electric: **IPv6 Sage Level*
*Cambium: **ePMP*
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
*Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
*Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
*How did we do today?*
Bonus points, the small business fiber has extremely limited NAT session limits (depends on hardware, but not greater than 16,000 sessions) and *everything *counts. Cold loading CNN.com (an AT&T company) in a default config without an adblocker will use close to 3000, which will saturate and cause errors on some of their gateway hardware (NVG595). If you want to use it for any serious purpose, stick a tunnel out to a real connection. On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:43 PM TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us> wrote:
Yeah not going to happen on U-verse
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:32 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> wrote:
Guess their broadband stuff☹
*[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
*Dennis Burgess*
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
*Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
*Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
*From:* TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us> *Sent:* Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:12 PM *To:* Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS
call back, i dont think that's accurate. What is the specific product?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 7:25 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> wrote:
I have a ATT fiber line for a customer that has a 300/300 circuit, but its not a MIS they are telling me we cannot route a /26 (they have allocated) to my device behind it. ☹ Any options?
*Dennis Burgess*
* Mikrotik : **Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer*
*Hurricane Electric: **IPv6 Sage Level*
*Cambium: **ePMP*
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
*Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
*Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
*How did we do today?*
Ya not wishing to do NAT... Sent from mobile device.. ________________________________ From: Alex Conner <hello@codatory.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:49:27 PM To: TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us> Cc: Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net>; nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS Bonus points, the small business fiber has extremely limited NAT session limits (depends on hardware, but not greater than 16,000 sessions) and everything counts. Cold loading CNN.com (an AT&T company) in a default config without an adblocker will use close to 3000, which will saturate and cause errors on some of their gateway hardware (NVG595). If you want to use it for any serious purpose, stick a tunnel out to a real connection. On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:43 PM TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us<mailto:tj@pcguys.us>> wrote: Yeah not going to happen on U-verse On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:32 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburgess@linktechs.net>> wrote: Guess their broadband stuff☹ [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net From: TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us<mailto:tj@pcguys.us>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:12 PM To: Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburgess@linktechs.net>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS call back, i dont think that's accurate. What is the specific product? On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 7:25 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburgess@linktechs.net>> wrote: I have a ATT fiber line for a customer that has a 300/300 circuit, but its not a MIS they are telling me we cannot route a /26 (they have allocated) to my device behind it. ☹ Any options? Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net How did we do today? <https://app.customerthermometer.com/?template=log_feedback&hash=5badbac1&embed_data=dGVtcGVyYXR1cmVfaWQ9MSZ0aGVybW9tZXRlcl9pZD0xMTM1NjYmbnBzX3JhdGluZz0tMQ==&e=Anonymous&f=Dennis&l=Burgess&c=&c1=&c2=&c3=&c4=&c5=&c6=&c7=&c8=&c9=&c10=>
Yep; but even IP Passthrough, routed subnet, etc. all count as NAT sessions against the internal NAT table. BTW, that's the feature you're looking for - routed subnet. That will pass your /26 to another network device over an RFC1918 subnet. The steps depend on what particular gateway hardware they have, but a quick Google of the gateway model and "routed subnet" should get you to the right spot. Assuming of course the other service limitations aren't a dealbreaker. On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:54 PM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> wrote:
Ya not wishing to do NAT...
Sent from mobile device..
------------------------------ *From:* Alex Conner <hello@codatory.com> *Sent:* Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:49:27 PM *To:* TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net>; nanog@nanog.org < nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS
Bonus points, the small business fiber has extremely limited NAT session limits (depends on hardware, but not greater than 16,000 sessions) and *everything *counts. Cold loading CNN.com (an AT&T company) in a default config without an adblocker will use close to 3000, which will saturate and cause errors on some of their gateway hardware (NVG595). If you want to use it for any serious purpose, stick a tunnel out to a real connection.
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:43 PM TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us> wrote:
Yeah not going to happen on U-verse
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:32 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> wrote:
Guess their broadband stuff☹
*[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
*Dennis Burgess*
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
*Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
*Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
*From:* TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us> *Sent:* Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:12 PM *To:* Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS
call back, i dont think that's accurate. What is the specific product?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 7:25 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> wrote:
I have a ATT fiber line for a customer that has a 300/300 circuit, but its not a MIS they are telling me we cannot route a /26 (they have allocated) to my device behind it. ☹ Any options?
*Dennis Burgess*
* Mikrotik : **Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer*
*Hurricane Electric: **IPv6 Sage Level*
*Cambium: **ePMP*
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
*Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
*Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
*How did we do today?*
Called Cascaded Router configuration on The POS router they gave .. their support and their support “Supervisor” could not make it work. I just did .. FUN. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com From: Alex Conner <hello@codatory.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 2:01 PM To: Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net> Cc: TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us>; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS Yep; but even IP Passthrough, routed subnet, etc. all count as NAT sessions against the internal NAT table. BTW, that's the feature you're looking for - routed subnet. That will pass your /26 to another network device over an RFC1918 subnet. The steps depend on what particular gateway hardware they have, but a quick Google of the gateway model and "routed subnet" should get you to the right spot. Assuming of course the other service limitations aren't a dealbreaker. On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:54 PM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburgess@linktechs.net>> wrote: Ya not wishing to do NAT... Sent from mobile device.. ________________________________ From: Alex Conner <hello@codatory.com<mailto:hello@codatory.com>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:49:27 PM To: TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us<mailto:tj@pcguys.us>> Cc: Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburgess@linktechs.net>>; nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS Bonus points, the small business fiber has extremely limited NAT session limits (depends on hardware, but not greater than 16,000 sessions) and everything counts. Cold loading CNN.com (an AT&T company) in a default config without an adblocker will use close to 3000, which will saturate and cause errors on some of their gateway hardware (NVG595). If you want to use it for any serious purpose, stick a tunnel out to a real connection. On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:43 PM TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us<mailto:tj@pcguys.us>> wrote: Yeah not going to happen on U-verse On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:32 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburgess@linktechs.net>> wrote: Guess their broadband stuff☹ Dennis Burgess Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net From: TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us<mailto:tj@pcguys.us>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:12 PM To: Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburgess@linktechs.net>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: AT&T Fiber Line / NOT MIS call back, i dont think that's accurate. What is the specific product? On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 7:25 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburgess@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburgess@linktechs.net>> wrote: I have a ATT fiber line for a customer that has a 300/300 circuit, but its not a MIS they are telling me we cannot route a /26 (they have allocated) to my device behind it. ☹ Any options? Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net How did we do today?
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