From my perspective, corporations are filtering information through clueless PR flacks to a (relatively clueless) media. I can't buy that sites hit by an attack 48 hours ago "have no idea what is going on." If that's the case, some people need to be fired real quick. -Declan At 21:24 2/9/2000 -0600, Rodney Caston wrote:
It's because people are being very closed mouthed with this, the corps either have no idea what is going on or do not wish to share what they know, and those involved with the attacks have done a good job of keeping silent. Besides comparing Morris's worm to what is going on now is hardly fair, the net was a very different place then, and his cpu cycle hog of a program was alot easier to deal with and detect.
From what I've read so far, it's still not clear whether it was an attack on a host(s) or a pipe(s). It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to release at least that much info.... -ls-
Declan McCullagh <declan@wired.com> wrote:
From my perspective, corporations are filtering information through clueless PR flacks to a (relatively clueless) media. I can't buy that sites hit by an attack 48 hours ago "have no idea what is going on." If that's the case, some people need to be fired real quick.
-Declan
At 21:24 2/9/2000 -0600, Rodney Caston wrote:
It's because people are being very closed mouthed with this, the corps either have no idea what is going on or do not wish to share what they know, and those involved with the attacks have done a good job of keeping silent. Besides comparing Morris's worm to what is going on now is hardly fair, the net was a very different place then, and his cpu cycle hog of a program was alot easier to deal with and detect.
According to what the FBI said in the announcement they made tonight with CERT and the US Justice Department, it's a packet based attack that's directed at hosts and filling up pipes in the process. They didn't come out and say this, but from the details they did divulge that's what I was able to gather. However, as was evidinced by the C-SPAN coverage of this press conference, it's an on-going investigation, so official details are going to be sketchy for the time being, though I do get the impression from the FBI and CERT representatives that they haven't even started sifting through the logs yet. The mouthpieces who were used at the conference certainly didn't sound too terribly clued on the specifics. -- Joseph W. Shaw - jshaw@insync.net Computer Security Consultant and Programmer Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am." On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Larry Snyder wrote:
From what I've read so far, it's still not clear whether it was an attack on a host(s) or a pipe(s). It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to release at least that much info.... -ls-
Declan McCullagh <declan@wired.com> wrote:
From my perspective, corporations are filtering information through clueless PR flacks to a (relatively clueless) media. I can't buy that sites hit by an attack 48 hours ago "have no idea what is going on." If that's the case, some people need to be fired real quick.
At 10:34 PM 2/9/00 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
From my perspective, corporations are filtering information through clueless PR flacks to a (relatively clueless) media. I can't buy that sites hit by an attack 48 hours ago "have no idea what is going on." If that's the case, some people need to be fired real quick.
-Declan
No, the PR flacks are there simply there because the Corps have no idea *how* to find qualified personel (they don't know what they're looking for!) . And realistically, the most qualified don't wear it in any way that F100 moguls can grok. Once upon a time they hired for: 1)yrs (in what) college completed 2) degree's acheived 3) GPA. And we all reap the benefits of that research here ... but they don't even seem to want the comp sci grads - they want the Business Admin degrees "and knowledge of computer/windows is a plus!" And that is who they hire, not for ignorance - but for lack of knowledge and time to figure it out. (right about now I'm questioning the ability of any the the IPO's to clearly comprehend that it (their urban/internet sprawl) will require a little more brainwork than they had scheduled this week) The above requirements are antiquated before they've even got it on paper, (apart from 3l33t research pools of jeans - of course) but, that is "how it's always been done". It seems a bit silly to go firing everyone in site, when *no one* in sight has the suss/experience of what they were hired to do. No one's gonna get fired .. they're more likely to console each other to abate the fear of ignorance, support each other in a silently acknowledged ignorance, and ... dealing with the press is .. well, 'pressing'(sic) ATM ;) I've a theory that this recent nasty bit might be the result of some lesser provider feeling shoved aside due to a lost contract, or a bandwidth degradation (price upheaval?) within the same arena as the sites that were targetted ... or it may just be some kid who left his computer and processes running cuz his parents locked him out of the room before he could shut them down .. who knows? ... Who's gotta work this one out? .. the Corps and their PR flacks. If it doesn't kill you - it'll at least make you weaker. (reformed motto) - danielle Film Short: The sweat beads downward off a young man's cheekbone as his eyes roll upward to view the dreadful torture of his venture capital venturing down a spiral .... (*tap tap* .. "damn palm won't connect" ... (glancing at the "board" briefly) "the hell! .. I can't connect" to get my online report ... oh .. oh no .. neither can our customers ...) Background color: The Police whimpers on a radio in the background, o/~ I got too much information ... runnin through my brain, too much information ... drivin me insane ... o/~
At 21:24 2/9/2000 -0600, Rodney Caston wrote:
It's because people are being very closed mouthed with this, the corps either have no idea what is going on or do not wish to share what they know, and those involved with the attacks have done a good job of keeping silent. Besides comparing Morris's worm to what is going on now is hardly fair, the net was a very different place then, and his cpu cycle hog of a program was alot easier to deal with and detect.
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