Well, we could talk about the repeated outages of MCI.... Last Thursday and again on Sunday, I saw all my traffic between myself in Michigan and my client in Mississippi going to Atlanta and a black hole, instead of via Houston and Memphis. This went for several hours before I called MCI NOC. I used to think the MCI NOC did an exemplary job. I guess that was when they were using BBN. Unfortunately, nowadays, IP address of routers are meaningless. They want "circuit numbers". Of course, I have no idea what _their_ circuit numbers are. Heck, I don't pay any attention to those under my control. The end result was they refused to take a trouble ticket, even though it was clearly their mis-routing problem. They did admit that there might be maintenance going on in the middle of a Sunday afternoon. The excuse was that "I'm not a direct customer on either end". Heck, even my next level up service provider isn't a direct customer. Long gone are the days when folks cooperated to resolve trouble reports. And has anyone else noticed a heck of a lot of route flapping between MCI and PSI, also through Atlanta? WSimpson@UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32 BSimpson@MorningStar.com Key fingerprint = 2E 07 23 03 C5 62 70 D3 59 B1 4F 5E 1D C2 C1 A2