geographical database of networks
Hello Has anyone ever attempted to create a geographical database of networks? In other words, zone the world into pertinent, well-known blocks and do a network->zone key->value pair. --matt hempel
Has anyone ever attempted to create a geographical database of networks? In other words, zone the world into pertinent, well-known blocks and do a network->zone key->value pair.
i just finished turning most of the us's zipcodes into lat/long pairs. but that's not quite the same, is it? -- |-----< "CODE WARRIOR" >-----| codewarrior@daemon.org * "ah! i see you have the internet twofsonet@graffiti.com (Andrew Brown) that goes *ping*!" andrew@crossbar.com * "information is power -- share the wealth."
Two words: IP Mobility. I always thought it was more marketing than content but that doesn't stop some applications from being developed to use it. My guess would be that you'd have more trouble getting people to agree on how the 'carve' would happen than the implementation. Then of course there are the hackers who would love to mess with it. To answer your question, all I ever heard about this was (the rumor of) a draft RFC. I couldn't find it though so wasn't able to confirm. (That was about 5 months ago). Jack On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Matt Hempel wrote:
Hello
Has anyone ever attempted to create a geographical database of networks? In other words, zone the world into pertinent, well-known blocks and do a network->zone key->value pair.
--matt hempel
I'll read into that ... My idea is that if you know the geographic source of a route, you can make cold-potato routing decisions while still receiving full advertisements from your peers at each peering point. Every advertised route could be matched against a ruleset which attaches preference to it based on distance. --matt On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jack Crowder wrote:
Two words: IP Mobility. I always thought it was more marketing than content but that doesn't stop some applications from being developed to use it.
My guess would be that you'd have more trouble getting people to agree on how the 'carve' would happen than the implementation. Then of course there are the hackers who would love to mess with it.
To answer your question, all I ever heard about this was (the rumor of) a draft RFC. I couldn't find it though so wasn't able to confirm. (That was about 5 months ago). Jack
On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Matt Hempel wrote:
Hello
Has anyone ever attempted to create a geographical database of networks? In other words, zone the world into pertinent, well-known blocks and do a network->zone key->value pair.
--matt hempel
Two words: IP Mobility. I always thought it was more marketing than content but that doesn't stop some applications from being developed to use it.
Sneaky gotcha wrt mobility. It all tunnels back to a Home agent.
...draft RFC...
Which one? The "original" Landmark stuff by Paul Francis, the more recent "sonar" draft from Keith Moore or one of the other ones? --bill
At 01:38 PM 09/23/1999 -0700, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
Sneaky gotcha wrt mobility. It all tunnels back to a Home agent.
Which makes mapping a virtual nightmare (Ha! A funny!). In any event, there is a lesson to be learned here: It's hard, if not impossible, to map the Internet. - paul
hmm, i've bought a map from http://www.peacockmaps.com/ it looks like a map. it also looks like a picture of the well-developed desease, though. a bell-labs project. -- dima.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:53 PM To: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: geographical database of networks
At 01:38 PM 09/23/1999 -0700, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
Sneaky gotcha wrt mobility. It all tunnels back to a Home agent.
Which makes mapping a virtual nightmare (Ha! A funny!).
In any event, there is a lesson to be learned here: It's hard, if not impossible, to map the Internet.
- paul
Hello
Has anyone ever attempted to create a geographical database of networks? In other words, zone the world into pertinent, well-known blocks and do a network->zone key->value pair.
--matt hempel
You mean like HWB & KC did a couple years back at one of the IEPG meetings? Or the in-addr <-> delegate map that was presented at the IEPG meeting in Chicago in 1998? Granted, it was a fairly high-level map w/o lots of detail. Much more could be done, including doing a really goofy mapping of ASN, prefix, delegation triples. -- bill
what about quarterman's maps. they used to cover this exact type of thing. where's jsq when you need him? bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
Hello
Has anyone ever attempted to create a geographical database of networks? In other words, zone the world into pertinent, well-known blocks and do a network->zone key->value pair.
--matt hempel
You mean like HWB & KC did a couple years back at one of the IEPG meetings? Or the in-addr <-> delegate map that was presented at the IEPG meeting in Chicago in 1998? Granted, it was a fairly high-level map w/o lots of detail. Much more could be done, including doing a really goofy mapping of ASN, prefix, delegation triples.
-- bill
-- take care......../sblair "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" steve blair principal engineer Tivoli EMEA Advanced Technology Group
Don't think so. the MIDS data, as I believe, works on forward data.
what about quarterman's maps. they used to cover this exact type of thing. where's jsq when you need him?
bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
Hello
Has anyone ever attempted to create a geographical database of networks? In other words, zone the world into pertinent, well-known blocks and do a network->zone key->value pair.
--matt hempel
You mean like HWB & KC did a couple years back at one of the IEPG meetings? Or the in-addr <-> delegate map that was presented at the IEPG meeting in Chicago in 1998? Granted, it was a fairly high-level map w/o lots of detail. Much more could be done, including doing a really goofy mapping of ASN, prefix, delegation triples.
-- bill
-- take care......../sblair "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" steve blair principal engineer Tivoli EMEA Advanced Technology Group
On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Matt Hempel wrote:
Has anyone ever attempted to create a geographical database of networks? In other words, zone the world into pertinent, well-known blocks and do a network->zone key->value pair.
Many groups have done this to various levels of granularity. Generally, this database is proprietary although I do recall one fellow who was selling his database at ISPCON in 1997. Uses include, maintaining compliance with US laws regarding export of encryption software and analyzing Squid logs in Australia to determine where an additional expensive trans-oceanic circuit might be more cost effective than paying Telstra 19 cents per megabyte for incoming traffic. Since this database will be changing all the time, I would suggest that you either build the tools to do this yourself so that you can maintain it up to date, or find someone selling such data who will provide regular updates. -- Michael Dillon - E-mail: michael@memra.com Check the website for my Internet World articles - http://www.memra.com
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