Re: announcement of freerouter
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: mate csaba <matecs@niif.hu> Cc: cs@nop.hu, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: <CAC6=tfb4=DmpXBgG159NH-p+uTxa+uwf3vOrB= rsS8T6YQ7Fsg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik.
Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-) Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?) The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network OSes have). http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html And CLI output examples: http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html
On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" <matecs@niif.hu> wrote:
hi, pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter.
Neat.
this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet
-- ---~~.~~--- Mike // SilverTip257 //
Mike, Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router. It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard to argue with. -Laszlo On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: mate csaba <matecs@niif.hu> Cc: cs@nop.hu, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: <CAC6=tfb4=DmpXBgG159NH-p+uTxa+uwf3vOrB= rsS8T6YQ7Fsg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik.
Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-)
Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?)
The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network OSes have). http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html And CLI output examples: http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html
On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" <matecs@niif.hu> wrote:
hi, pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. Neat.
this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Laszlo Hanyecz <laszlo@heliacal.net> wrote:
Mike,
Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router.
Thanks for the clarification. I did miss that particular sentence with 'router OS'. But perusal of two or three of freerouter's pages showed it to be more Cisco-like (much like Quagga's CLI syntax mimics Cisco IOS command syntax) than Mikrotik RouterOS. While freerouter != Mikrotik RouterOS, I can't disagree that Mikrotik RouterOS does deliver quite the bang for the buck. :-)
It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard to argue with.
Yes. Another alternative and a free one at that.
-Laszlo
On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600
From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: mate csaba <matecs@niif.hu> Cc: cs@nop.hu, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: <CAC6=tfb4=DmpXBgG159NH-p+uTxa+uwf3vOrB= rsS8T6YQ7Fsg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik.
Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-)
Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?)
The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network OSes have). http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html And CLI output examples: http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html
On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" <matecs@niif.hu> wrote:
hi,
pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter.
Neat.
this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself
so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet
-- ---~~.~~--- Mike // SilverTip257 //
It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two. I'm glad the terminology was removed. On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" <laszlo@heliacal.net> wrote:
Mike,
Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router.
It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard to argue with.
-Laszlo
On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600
From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: mate csaba <matecs@niif.hu> Cc: cs@nop.hu, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: <CAC6=tfb4=DmpXBgG159NH-p+uTxa+uwf3vOrB= rsS8T6YQ7Fsg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik.
Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-)
Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?)
The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network OSes have). http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html And CLI output examples: http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html
On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" <matecs@niif.hu> wrote:
hi,
pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter.
Neat.
this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself
so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet
On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:08 AM, Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two.
I'm glad the terminology was removed.
Since it's an operating system for routing IP, maybe they could call it "IP operating system", styled Ios, to prevent confusion with IOS and iOS. Lawyers gotta eat too... -r
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Rob Seastrom <rs-lists@seastrom.com> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:08 AM, Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two.
I'm glad the terminology was removed.
Since it's an operating system for routing IP, maybe they could call it "IP operating system", styled Ios, to prevent confusion with IOS and iOS.
And not to be confused with IoS, the Internet of Shit: ;P https://youtu.be/soV7-gwxarE
Lawyers gotta eat too...
-r
In fairness, when I first looked at the page, I was confused too. It said it ran as a “Router OS Process” which made me think that it was somehow a virtual router that ran inside the Mikrotik operating system known as Router SO and I was scratching my head going: A: How can that possibly work? B: Why would you want it to? Now, realizing that the guy probably made an honest mistake without realizing he was using someone else’s trade name in the process, it makes much more sense. Confusing, but in the end, much ado about nothing[1] all around. Owen [1] No intent here to misuse any intellectual property of any Bard or other person.
On Dec 29, 2015, at 01:08 , Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two.
I'm glad the terminology was removed. On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" <laszlo@heliacal.net> wrote:
Mike,
Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router.
It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard to argue with.
-Laszlo
On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600
From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: mate csaba <matecs@niif.hu> Cc: cs@nop.hu, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: <CAC6=tfb4=DmpXBgG159NH-p+uTxa+uwf3vOrB= rsS8T6YQ7Fsg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik.
Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-)
Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?)
The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network OSes have). http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html And CLI output examples: http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html
On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" <matecs@niif.hu> wrote:
hi,
pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter.
Neat.
this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself
so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet
Thanks for clearing it up, I was still confused what Mikrotik's OS had to do with it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
In fairness, when I first looked at the page, I was confused too.
It said it ran as a “Router OS Process” which made me think that it was somehow a virtual router that ran inside the Mikrotik operating system known as Router SO and I was scratching my head going:
A: How can that possibly work? B: Why would you want it to?
Now, realizing that the guy probably made an honest mistake without realizing he was using someone else’s trade name in the process, it makes much more sense.
Confusing, but in the end, much ado about nothing[1] all around.
Owen
[1] No intent here to misuse any intellectual property of any Bard or other person.
On Dec 29, 2015, at 01:08 , Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two.
I'm glad the terminology was removed. On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" <laszlo@heliacal.net> wrote:
Mike,
Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router.
It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard to argue with.
-Laszlo
On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600
From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: mate csaba <matecs@niif.hu> Cc: cs@nop.hu, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: <CAC6=tfb4=DmpXBgG159NH-p+uTxa+uwf3vOrB= rsS8T6YQ7Fsg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik.
Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-)
Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?)
The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network OSes have). http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html And CLI output examples: http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html
On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" <matecs@niif.hu> wrote:
hi,
pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter.
Neat.
this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself
so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
In fairness, when I first looked at the page, I was confused too.
That content of web page(s) must have been altered between when Josh R. and I viewed it.
It said it ran as a “Router OS Process” which made me think that it was somehow a virtual router that ran inside the Mikrotik operating system known as Router SO and I was scratching my head going:
A: How can that possibly work? B: Why would you want it to?
Now, realizing that the guy probably made an honest mistake without realizing he was using someone else’s trade name in the process, it makes much more sense.
Confusing, but in the end, much ado about nothing[1] all around.
yep Keeping us on our toes. :-)
Owen
[1] No intent here to misuse any intellectual property of any Bard or other person.
On Dec 29, 2015, at 01:08 , Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two.
I'm glad the terminology was removed. On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" <laszlo@heliacal.net> wrote:
Mike,
Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router.
It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard to argue with.
-Laszlo
On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600
From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: mate csaba <matecs@niif.hu> Cc: cs@nop.hu, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: <CAC6=tfb4=DmpXBgG159NH-p+uTxa+uwf3vOrB= rsS8T6YQ7Fsg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik.
Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-)
Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?)
The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network OSes have). http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html And CLI output examples: http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html
On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" <matecs@niif.hu> wrote:
hi,
pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter.
Neat.
this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself
so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet
-- ---~~.~~--- Mike // SilverTip257 //
Amazing what the proprietary appropriation of a single Word can do :) -mel
On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Mike - st257 <silvertip257@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
In fairness, when I first looked at the page, I was confused too.
That content of web page(s) must have been altered between when Josh R. and I viewed it.
It said it ran as a “Router OS Process” which made me think that it was somehow a virtual router that ran inside the Mikrotik operating system known as Router SO and I was scratching my head going:
A: How can that possibly work? B: Why would you want it to?
Now, realizing that the guy probably made an honest mistake without realizing he was using someone else’s trade name in the process, it makes much more sense.
Confusing, but in the end, much ado about nothing[1] all around.
yep Keeping us on our toes. :-)
Owen
[1] No intent here to misuse any intellectual property of any Bard or other person.
On Dec 29, 2015, at 01:08 , Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two.
I'm glad the terminology was removed. On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" <laszlo@heliacal.net> wrote:
Mike,
Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router.
It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard to argue with.
-Laszlo
On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600
From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: mate csaba <matecs@niif.hu> Cc: cs@nop.hu, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: <CAC6=tfb4=DmpXBgG159NH-p+uTxa+uwf3vOrB= rsS8T6YQ7Fsg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik.
Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-)
Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?)
The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network OSes have). http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html And CLI output examples: http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html
On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" <matecs@niif.hu> wrote:
hi, > pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. > Neat.
this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself
> so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, > mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... > speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, > babel... > does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, > nvgre... > have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, > tacacs, radius, ssh... > it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab > topolgies can be easily created. > our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about > hundred routers. > here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ > feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) > thanks in advance, > csaba mate > niif/hungarnet >
-- ---~~.~~--- Mike // SilverTip257 //
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote:
Amazing what the proprietary appropriation of a single Word can do :)
Yes.... I'm quite bothered by that. As far as I'm concerned "Router OS" refers to whatever operating system drives a router. Just like "Computer OS" is not referring to a specific piece of software, but it's a description of a software's role within a system. To suggest "Router OS" refers to a specific product, is like suggesting "Bottled Water" refers to a specific brand of packaged liquid.
-mel -- -JH
On 31 Dec 2015, at 01:54, Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote: Amazing what the proprietary appropriation of a single Word can do :)
Yes.... I'm quite bothered by that. As far as I'm concerned "Router OS" refers to whatever operating system drives a router.
I believe Mikrotik is using "RouterOS" and "RouterBOARD" as registered trademarks, not generic "router os". The problem however is, that according to google search (I may be wrong here), the trademark was eventually never registered: https://trademarks.justia.com/771/58/routeros-77158105.html Anyway, let's concentrate on the source code and solution provided (further referred as "meat"), and let parties involved sort out the trademarks, copyrights and other issues (further referred as to "slack" ;)) themselves. -- ./
Hence, my statement of "prior art" and not TM, as they never followed up on it :) On Dec 30, 2015 7:57 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <lukasz@bromirski.net> wrote:
On 31 Dec 2015, at 01:54, Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote: Amazing what the proprietary appropriation of a single Word can do :)
Yes.... I'm quite bothered by that. As far as I'm concerned "Router OS" refers to whatever operating system drives a router.
I believe Mikrotik is using "RouterOS" and "RouterBOARD" as registered trademarks, not generic "router os".
The problem however is, that according to google search (I may be wrong here), the trademark was eventually never registered:
https://trademarks.justia.com/771/58/routeros-77158105.html
Anyway, let's concentrate on the source code and solution provided (further referred as "meat"), and let parties involved sort out the trademarks, copyrights and other issues (further referred as to "slack" ;)) themselves.
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At the time of the announcement, this is what the page looked like (GIF attachment attempted). ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laszlo Hanyecz" <laszlo@heliacal.net> To: "Mike - st257" <silvertip257@gmail.com>, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:29:20 PM Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Mike, Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router. It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard to argue with. -Laszlo On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> To: mate csaba <matecs@niif.hu> Cc: cs@nop.hu, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: <CAC6=tfb4=DmpXBgG159NH-p+uTxa+uwf3vOrB= rsS8T6YQ7Fsg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik.
Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-)
Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?)
The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network OSes have). http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html And CLI output examples: http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html
On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" <matecs@niif.hu> wrote:
hi, pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. Neat.
this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet
ok kids. the guy looks to have made a rather hot and unusually complete contribution. perhaps picking on his spelling is not productive. randy
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