Is there a mailing list similar to NANOG specifically for e-mail operations? I've seen some smaller lists around that deal with specific issues (spam, etc.) but have not seen a general postmaster operations mailing list, though I'm sure there has to be one around somewhere. Any hints in that direction would be appreciated. -Justin Scott | GravityFree Network Administrator 1960 Stickney Point Road, Suite 210 Sarasota | FL | 34231 | 800.207.4431 941.927.7674 x115 | f 941.923.5429 www.GravityFree.com
If there was, I sure would not join it. It'd be full of "I cannot send mail to your domain blah blah" -- Leigh Justin Scott wrote:
Is there a mailing list similar to NANOG specifically for e-mail operations? I've seen some smaller lists around that deal with specific issues (spam, etc.) but have not seen a general postmaster operations mailing list, though I'm sure there has to be one around somewhere. Any hints in that direction would be appreciated.
-Justin Scott | GravityFree Network Administrator
1960 Stickney Point Road, Suite 210 Sarasota | FL | 34231 | 800.207.4431 941.927.7674 x115 | f 941.923.5429 www.GravityFree.com
On Nov 16, 2007 10:04 PM, Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> wrote:
If there was, I sure would not join it. It'd be full of "I cannot send mail to your domain blah blah"
Been to a MAAWG meeting yet? Or been on one such list? There's a lot more interesting and useful / operationally relevant stuff that goes on.
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 22:13 +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
On Nov 16, 2007 10:04 PM, Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> wrote:
If there was, I sure would not join it. It'd be full of "I cannot send mail to your domain blah blah"
Been to a MAAWG meeting yet? Or been on one such list?
There's a lot more interesting and useful / operationally relevant stuff that goes on.
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From www.maawg.org: "Your company must be a member of this organization for you to gain access to the members area of this site"
Ok, so it's still a good-ole-boys club. Interestingly enough, a lot of the names on the "approved" companies are some of the ones that can't very effectively control inbound/outbound spam from their net blocks. How long has MAAWG been in existence? Has email Abuse gotten better or worse? Perhaps if they weren't so exclusive.... </rant>
On Nov 16, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote:
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 22:13 +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
On Nov 16, 2007 10:04 PM, Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> wrote:
If there was, I sure would not join it. It'd be full of "I cannot send mail to your domain blah blah"
Been to a MAAWG meeting yet? Or been on one such list?
There's a lot more interesting and useful / operationally relevant stuff that goes on.
<rant>
From www.maawg.org: "Your company must be a member of this organization for you to gain access to the members area of this site"
Well, yes. That's why it's called the "members area". There's a bunch of information there that is not in the "members area" (as well as some that should be, but isn't, IMO but what can you do?).
Ok, so it's still a good-ole-boys club. Interestingly enough, a lot of the names on the "approved" companies are some of the ones that can't very effectively control inbound/outbound spam from their net blocks. How long has MAAWG been in existence? Has email Abuse gotten better or worse?
All of which is covered on the maawg website, IIRC, should you want to look, rather than rant.
Perhaps if they weren't so exclusive.... </rant>
It being slightly exclusive keeps the idiots out, and reduces the "I cannot send mail to your domain blah blah" to a negligible level. It's only about $3k / year to be a corporate member, so it's not that high a bar to any company that actually cares about email. If you want a forum solely about email operations that's open to any idiot with a mail client, you risk attracting all sorts of nutjobs on all sides of the spam / filtering issue. If you limit it to operators, you'll attract the subset of those nutjobs who also claim to be operators. You'll certainly attract a lot of write-only traffic of the "I cannot send mail to..." mentioned above too. Cheers, Steve
On 16 Nov 2007, at 15:54, Justin Scott wrote:
Is there a mailing list similar to NANOG specifically for e-mail operations? I've seen some smaller lists around that deal with specific issues (spam, etc.) but have not seen a general postmaster operations mailing list, though I'm sure there has to be one around somewhere.
Sorry for the noise. I emailed -futures registering my interests for such a list, and it got a mixed response. It's a shame, as like you I would like to see a busy, interesting, mail operations list, and derive value from one. I think that it will always be to controversial to start a nanog 'branded' mail operators list. I also understand why the MAAWG lists are run as a closed system, but recognise this prevents smaller sites from taking part. When discussing this with folks on -futures or irc people agree that a public mail operations list might be a good experiment, so I have just created one mailop@mailop.org Join here: http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop I'll set the reply-to: to me to prevent further noise. Best wishes Andy
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