Acquiring unused IP range. Some questions
Hi everyone, we are about to acquire a block of IP’s from another organization that has unused space, and being fairly new to these procedures, I was hoping for some guidance. We have already been pre-approved by ARIN for the block size we are acquiring, and finalizing the deal with the current owner of the address space. First question is, once they initiate the transfer request to transfer the IP range to us, how long does that typically take for ARIN to complete? Secondly, our relationship with the IP block owner is a very good one, such that I think they would be ok with us advertising this block before we technically own it. My question is, what do they and we need to do to accomplish that in the proper way, so that the internet at large would accept the advertisement from a different ASN, and not view as some sort of hijacking, etc. I am guessing they may need to update some RADB or something like that, but i’ll be honest my knowledge of how those things work and their complete function is pretty slim. This would be a short term thing as we expect the purchase process to complete pretty quickly, but it would be advantageous to us to be able to advertise the space immediately. We just want to make sure we start off on the right foot. Thanks, Will
Arin about a week. Just need a LOA for the block I think. On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM, William McLendon <wimclend@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
we are about to acquire a block of IP’s from another organization that has unused space, and being fairly new to these procedures, I was hoping for some guidance.
We have already been pre-approved by ARIN for the block size we are acquiring, and finalizing the deal with the current owner of the address space. First question is, once they initiate the transfer request to transfer the IP range to us, how long does that typically take for ARIN to complete?
Secondly, our relationship with the IP block owner is a very good one, such that I think they would be ok with us advertising this block before we technically own it. My question is, what do they and we need to do to accomplish that in the proper way, so that the internet at large would accept the advertisement from a different ASN, and not view as some sort of hijacking, etc. I am guessing they may need to update some RADB or something like that, but i’ll be honest my knowledge of how those things work and their complete function is pretty slim.
This would be a short term thing as we expect the purchase process to complete pretty quickly, but it would be advantageous to us to be able to advertise the space immediately. We just want to make sure we start off on the right foot.
Thanks,
Will
My question is, what do they and we need to do to accomplish that in the proper way, so that the internet at large would accept the advertisement from a different ASN,
The internet in terms of IP Prefix advertisements is a 'Trust' based system.
and not view as some sort of hijacking, etc.
The difference between Hijacking vs a valid advertisement is the simple LOA document a.k.a having permission to do so..
I am guessing they may need to update some RADB or something like that, but i’ll be honest my knowledge of how those things work and their complete function is pretty slim.
Only if you are using it for yourself or if your upstream is using it to create their prefix Filter lists. RADB is not the only RRDB provider, ARIN also provides this service
This would be a short term thing as we expect the purchase process to complete pretty quickly, but it would be advantageous to us to be able to advertise the space immediately. We just want to make sure we start off on the right foot.
All you need is permission from the IP block owner (LOA) and the appropriate upstream filters to be setup or opened. Which could be a manual process (provide them a copy of the LOA) or could be a 'Trust' based using RRDB Record which someone has to create and update. Best of luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom ----- Original Message -----
From: "William McLendon" <wimclend@gmail.com> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:43:57 PM Subject: Acquiring unused IP range. Some questions
Hi everyone,
we are about to acquire a block of IP’s from another organization that has unused space, and being fairly new to these procedures, I was hoping for some guidance.
We have already been pre-approved by ARIN for the block size we are acquiring, and finalizing the deal with the current owner of the address space. First question is, once they initiate the transfer request to transfer the IP range to us, how long does that typically take for ARIN to complete?
Secondly, our relationship with the IP block owner is a very good one, such that I think they would be ok with us advertising this block before we technically own it. My question is, what do they and we need to do to accomplish that in the proper way, so that the internet at large would accept the advertisement from a different ASN, and not view as some sort of hijacking, etc. I am guessing they may need to update some RADB or something like that, but i’ll be honest my knowledge of how those things work and their complete function is pretty slim.
This would be a short term thing as we expect the purchase process to complete pretty quickly, but it would be advantageous to us to be able to advertise the space immediately. We just want to make sure we start off on the right foot.
Thanks,
Will
It would be helpful also if the whois record is updated with the Origin AS listed. See ARIN's post on the topic: https://www.arin.net/resources/originas.html Tony On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
My question is, what do they and we need to do to accomplish that in the proper way, so that the internet at large would accept the advertisement from a different ASN,
The internet in terms of IP Prefix advertisements is a 'Trust' based system.
and not view as some sort of hijacking, etc.
The difference between Hijacking vs a valid advertisement is the simple LOA document a.k.a having permission to do so..
I am guessing they may need to update some RADB or something like that, but i’ll be honest my knowledge of how those things work and their complete function is pretty slim.
Only if you are using it for yourself or if your upstream is using it to create their prefix Filter lists. RADB is not the only RRDB provider, ARIN also provides this service
This would be a short term thing as we expect the purchase process to complete pretty quickly, but it would be advantageous to us to be able to advertise the space immediately. We just want to make sure we start off on the right foot.
All you need is permission from the IP block owner (LOA) and the appropriate upstream filters to be setup or opened. Which could be a manual process (provide them a copy of the LOA) or could be a 'Trust' based using RRDB Record which someone has to create and update.
Best of luck.
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom
----- Original Message -----
From: "William McLendon" <wimclend@gmail.com> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:43:57 PM Subject: Acquiring unused IP range. Some questions
Hi everyone,
we are about to acquire a block of IP’s from another organization that has unused space, and being fairly new to these procedures, I was hoping for some guidance.
We have already been pre-approved by ARIN for the block size we are acquiring, and finalizing the deal with the current owner of the address space. First question is, once they initiate the transfer request to transfer the IP range to us, how long does that typically take for ARIN to complete?
Secondly, our relationship with the IP block owner is a very good one, such that I think they would be ok with us advertising this block before we technically own it. My question is, what do they and we need to do to accomplish that in the proper way, so that the internet at large would accept the advertisement from a different ASN, and not view as some sort of hijacking, etc. I am guessing they may need to update some RADB or something like that, but i’ll be honest my knowledge of how those things work and their complete function is pretty slim.
This would be a short term thing as we expect the purchase process to complete pretty quickly, but it would be advantageous to us to be able to advertise the space immediately. We just want to make sure we start off on the right foot.
Thanks,
Will
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