On 2016-03-11 04:40 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:

-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan

The U.S. government definition of data center is a bit like defining a warehouse as any room containing a single ream of paper. Yes, warehouses are used to store reams of paper; but that doesn't make every place containing a ream of paper a warehouse. ----------------------------------------

--- Steve.Mikulasik@civeo.com wrote:

This is a great way to create a mess of rules. Need a server for running an app locally to a site? You need XYZ standards that make no sense for your deploy and increase the cost by 10 times.

Our server guys always try to set standards, then they run into a deploy where the needs are simple, but the standards make it significantly uneconomical. ---------------------------------------------

Been there, done that, got many t-shirts. There is no thought at all to economics. None. People that have absolutely no experience in networking or computers (read: can barely operate M$ computers) make these rules/definitions/processes. It's not even sausage when they're done. It's post-digested sausage. For example, read about the OPM fiasco:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management_data_breach

I'm one of those 21.5 million people. Fingerprints, SSN, address, etc, etc, etc.

--- alter3d@alter3d.ca wrote:------------------ From: Peter Kristolaitis <alter3d@alter3d.ca> I disagree. Government departments are heavily concerned about economics. Specifically, "how can we maintain, or preferably increase, our budget in the next fiscal cycle?" If that means feeding 500 lbs of pork to a chihuahua so you can burn up this year's budget, then so be it. Next year you can ask for extra money to put the chihuahua on a special, extremely expensive diet while simultaneously asking for more pork to enrich its diet. ------------------------------------------ Ok, put that way you're correct. It's really disgusting to watch the waste knowing how hard I work for my money and how badly it's pissed into the wind. scott