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Yet another example of how IRC is a complete and total waste of bandwidth. IRC is not a problem, those brainless childs who are thinking about _how to hack, how to get free shell, how to slow down those gay who talk from roga-i-kopyta.sakhalin.su_ are, just as the problem to open lawsuit against this gays in some countries, and just as a lot of networks which can be used as amplifyers, a lot of servers easily broken by simple _plug-and-play_ exploits remotedly, and just as an absence of back-paths filtering over most ISP over the world.

IRC is a simple CHAT, one of different CHAT systems. It's not excellent inside, but it work. Any tool can be used for the good and for the bad...

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At 01:39 PM 12/7/98 +0300, Alex P. Rudnev wrote:

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I think it's as usial - result of IRC flame:

- I am a gury, you are a lamer; - hmm, wait a minute. - oyyyyy..,..... bum.... - you see - you can't smurf me, I am stronger...

(raw, raw translation from Russion).

Look for the broken servers used by the hackers...

-:)

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On Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 07:19:50AM -0500, John Fraizer put this into my mailbox:

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Yet another example of how IRC is a complete and total waste of bandwidth.

Please, let's not start this pointless argument again. If IRC weren't around, the weenies would be hanging out on ICQ or java chat; or if chat weren't around, they'd communicate via e-mail and file transfer, or via teleconferencing systems (hacking PBXs). Just like in the 70s/80s. Imagine that. IRC isn't the reason for all the weenies; it just happens to be where they hang out at the moment. (One might say that's an indication of its success.) Your mention of this is more of a waste of bandwidth than IRC is. How about doing something proactive and blaming the real cause for the problems (say, poor upbringing, insecure ISPs, etc), not one of the symptoms? IRC networks don't encourage their users to hack any more than large ISPs encourage their users to spam. If you're going to comment, comment on how we can get smurf relays to fix their networks. Don't gloat; it's not professional. -dalvenjah -- Dalvenjah FoxFire (aka Sven Nielsen) "Flower children are just Founder, the DALnet IRC Network petal pushers" e-mail: dalvenjah@dal.net WWW: http://www.dal.net/~dalvenjah/ whois: SN90 Try DALnet! http://www.dal.net/