I will accept your word that people were leaving before the end, however I know that the beer and gear didn't start early, and I got whatever there was to get, and even a little extra from a couple vendors. There seemed to have been no shortage that would have required people to get there early. At 21, the doors to beer and gear were not opened until 5:30. I would have to propose that if there is a problem with people leaving early to go to beer and gear, just close the doors to the beer and gear until the designated start time. I believe that the reason why people left the IXP panel in DC was that it was a pretty darn boring panel. You tend to get people drifting after the 3rd presenter anyway, and although I stayed for the whole thing, I certainly was starting to fall asleep. This may have been a problem in Atlanta with the VPN panel as well. After the 3rd presentation people tent to shut down. Better to keep each presentaation short, and just spark more questions than put everyone to sleep. --- Opinions in this email are the personal opinions of the author and are not associated with author's employer. This email account is a not the regular email account of the author and is being used for the protection of the employer. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Stephen Stuart <stuart@mfnx.net> To: "Ukyo Kuonji" <kawaii_iinazuke@hotmail.com> CC: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Beer and Gear surprise Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:33:54 -0800
I was at NANOG 20, and I seem to remember that the technical talks were over a good 20-30 minutes before Beer and Gear. If people were leaving the talks early, I'm sure it was not the fault of the vendors. I certainly don't think that people should have been offended by it.
The vendors set up early and left their stuff unattended. The supply of particular trinket was pretty much exhausted by people leaving the talks 20-30 minutes early to ensure their possession of that NANOG's "must-have" trinket.
As far as being "sexist", I know more women that wear boxers than men.
The boxers were not the issue, despite rumor to the contrary. Stephen _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
My impression of the beer-n-gear is that it was just like all the other ones - e.g. Juniper, Cisco, etc showed off their latest heavy iron and there was free finger food & beer. If you came to NANOG expecting to return home with a suitcase stuffed full of free frisbees, t-shirts and key chains - might I suggest that you attend a gift industry conference next time? Joe -- Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications 994 San Antonio Road Palo Alto, CA 94303 Phone: 650-969-2203 Cell: 650-207-0372 Fax: 650-969-2124
Joe McGuckin wrote:
My impression of the beer-n-gear is that it was just like all the other ones - e.g. Juniper, Cisco, etc showed off their latest heavy iron and there was free finger food & beer.
If you came to NANOG expecting to return home with a suitcase stuffed full of free frisbees, t-shirts and key chains - might I suggest that you attend a gift industry conference next time?
Joe
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FWIW, there has been a huge decline in the amount of swag generally since the market meltdown. The difference between, say, last year's COMNET and this year's is two shopping bags versus one t-shirt and a few pens. (My son loves this kind of stuff.) -- Regards Marshall Eubanks T.M. Eubanks Multicast Technologies, Inc 10301 Democracy Lane, Suite 410 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 Phone : 703-293-9624 Fax : 703-293-9609 e-mail : tme@on-the-i.com tme@multicasttech.com http://www.on-the-i.com http://www.buzzwaves.com
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Joe McGuckin wrote:
My impression of the beer-n-gear is that it was just like all the other ones - e.g. Juniper, Cisco, etc showed off their latest heavy iron and there was free finger food & beer.
If you came to NANOG expecting to return home with a suitcase stuffed full of free frisbees, t-shirts and key chains - might I suggest that you attend a gift industry conference next time?
Joe
Agreed. I don't see the problem with a vendor having goodies to give out however and really don't follow someone being offended by a vendor giving out boxer shorts. Was cisco forcing someone to take the shorts? If someone is offended that easy, boy would they be surprised to see what is going down the pipe. I don't think I've ever been to a convention that didn't have some sort of trinket. It is not why I attend them. It is still a part of the overall experience though. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Agreed. I don't see the problem with a vendor having goodies to give out however and really don't follow someone being offended by a vendor giving out boxer shorts. Was cisco forcing someone to take the shorts? If
Or better yet were physically forcing the shorts onto people. It really didn't get weird though until they started making you trade in the current shorts you were wearing though... andy
> If someone is offended that easy, boy would they be surprised to see > what is going down the pipe. Hey, I just fix the pipes, I don't look inside. :-) -Bill
I don't think people come to NANOG for "suitcases of stuff". In fact I don't even think the orig. poster stated that he was looking for a suitcase of stuff. Yes, people come to NANOG and Beer-n-gear for clue. Another part is some of the trinkets. Don't tell me you have NEVER taken a t-shirt home from a NANOG beer-n-gear vendor. To have MERIT change the ability to hand out trinkets without consulting the group is, I think a bit rude. When Beer-n-Gear first started (NANOG 12, hosted by my company) it was intended to allow t-shirts and other trinkets to be given out. There is a bad apple or two in the NANOG/MERIT group and it doesn't seem to get fixed. That person needs to be checked back into realitiy. I think the heart of the matter is MERIT making changes without informing the group. Remember its mostly little things that upset people. On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:52:47PM -0800, Joe McGuckin wrote:
My impression of the beer-n-gear is that it was just like all the other ones - e.g. Juniper, Cisco, etc showed off their latest heavy iron and there was free finger food & beer.
If you came to NANOG expecting to return home with a suitcase stuffed full of free frisbees, t-shirts and key chains - might I suggest that you attend a gift industry conference next time?
Joe
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My impression of the beer-n-gear is that it was just like all the other ones - e.g. Juniper, Cisco, etc showed off their latest heavy iron and there was free finger food & beer.
the quality of the finger food was notable. i have narrow tastes for that kind of thing, and managed to get enough of what i consider edible to skip dinner. randy
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