If you're multihomed, which everyone should be, there's a smaller requirement. --Mike _____ From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of list account Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:03 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: The Chicken or the Egg. Well the subject describes my frustration. We are a small ISP that currently has 6 /24s. Over the last year we have inked some deals for some hotels and apartment complexes that would push us over the required /20 to get our own allocation. Many of these locations are new sites nearing their completion so with in 90 to 120 days. The first 6 locations complete over the next 2 to 6 weeks and the vendor that handle the hospitality networks want their addresses now. The road block has been that ARIN wants us to get the remaining /24s from our upstream, assign them to our customers then get our /20, then renumber out network. Many of these hotels are big chains and they don't seem to want deal with this not to mention it makes us look even smaller. In my limited experience ARIN seems to not want to work with the small operator. Maybe I got someone on a bad day or maybe I am using the wrong verbage. Would the 4.2.1.4 <http://4.2.1.4/> Slow Start apply in my case? What about the 4.2.6 for Cable Operators? It seems kind of unfair, if I read this correctly, that they gain IPs biased on the number of homes that could purchase service. We have a WiSP network with a very large foot print where I am using most of my address space. I wan't to minimize renumbering my customers. To add to this I want to be portable. Since AT&T has bought BellSouth my upstream provider is now declaring war on me. But this is a rant for another time.

http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222 4.2.2 is the allocation to ISPs section; therefore 4.2.2.2 would be a part of that. It states under that multihomed section that if you can demonstrate efficient usage of a /23, you can receive a /22 from ARIN. --Mike _____ From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of list account Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:03 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: The Chicken or the Egg. Well the subject describes my frustration. We are a small ISP that currently has 6 /24s. Over the last year we have inked some deals for some hotels and apartment complexes that would push us over the required /20 to get our own allocation. Many of these locations are new sites nearing their completion so with in 90 to 120 days. The first 6 locations complete over the next 2 to 6 weeks and the vendor that handle the hospitality networks want their addresses now. The road block has been that ARIN wants us to get the remaining /24s from our upstream, assign them to our customers then get our /20, then renumber out network. Many of these hotels are big chains and they don't seem to want deal with this not to mention it makes us look even smaller. In my limited experience ARIN seems to not want to work with the small operator. Maybe I got someone on a bad day or maybe I am using the wrong verbage. Would the 4.2.1.4 <http://4.2.1.4/> Slow Start apply in my case? What about the 4.2.6 for Cable Operators? It seems kind of unfair, if I read this correctly, that they gain IPs biased on the number of homes that could purchase service. We have a WiSP network with a very large foot print where I am using most of my address space. I wan't to minimize renumbering my customers. To add to this I want to be portable. Since AT&T has bought BellSouth my upstream provider is now declaring war on me. But this is a rant for another time.