On 3/12/2014 5:41 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
TIINAL - The Internet Is Not A Lawyer.
NANOGINTI There ARE rules in the environment, however. For example, there is one that I am too lazy to look-up that argues for the use of a .sig separator "-- ".
----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net> // <http://www.arbornetworks.com>
Luck is the residue of opportunity and design.
-- John Milton
-- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)
I heard cheese works really well for catching crackers. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon@cox.net> Date: 03/12/2014 9:08 AM (GMT-08:00) To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How to catch a cracker in the US? On 3/12/2014 5:41 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
TIINAL - The Internet Is Not A Lawyer.
NANOGINTI There ARE rules in the environment, however. For example, there is one that I am too lazy to look-up that argues for the use of a .sig separator "-- ".
----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net> // <http://www.arbornetworks.com>
Luck is the residue of opportunity and design.
-- John Milton
-- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)
Hi, I found that finding them on IRC, or wherever it is that they congregate, and simply talking to them until they incriminate themselves tends to work best. I also found that firewalls, IDS, security audits, antivirus, antimalware etc work almost not at all. The reason for this is pretty simple. Cybercrime is not a technical problem and does not have a technical solution. The solution is just like any other criminal act, find them, get them to confess, and then put a real world face and location to the IRC persona. Easy. Andrew On 3/12/2014 12:16 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
I heard cheese works really well for catching crackers.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon@cox.net> Date: 03/12/2014 9:08 AM (GMT-08:00) To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How to catch a cracker in the US?
On 3/12/2014 5:41 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
TIINAL - The Internet Is Not A Lawyer. NANOGINTI
There ARE rules in the environment, however. For example, there is one that I am too lazy to look-up that argues for the use of a .sig separator "-- ".
----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net> // <http://www.arbornetworks.com>
Luck is the residue of opportunity and design.
-- John Milton
-- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)
Ha! ³Easy², in my personal experience (having once upon a time caught a hacker in .ro, but it took six months of work to seal the deal with handcuffs). -- Josh Sholes On 3/12/14, 12:37 PM, "Andrew D Kirch" <trelane@trelane.net> wrote:
Hi,
I found that finding them on IRC, or wherever it is that they congregate, and simply talking to them until they incriminate themselves tends to work best. I also found that firewalls, IDS, security audits, antivirus, antimalware etc work almost not at all. The reason for this is pretty simple. Cybercrime is not a technical problem and does not have a technical solution. The solution is just like any other criminal act, find them, get them to confess, and then put a real world face and location to the IRC persona. Easy.
Andrew
On 3/12/2014 12:16 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
I heard cheese works really well for catching crackers.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon@cox.net> Date: 03/12/2014 9:08 AM (GMT-08:00) To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How to catch a cracker in the US?
On 3/12/2014 5:41 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
TIINAL - The Internet Is Not A Lawyer. NANOGINTI
There ARE rules in the environment, however. For example, there is one that I am too lazy to look-up that argues for the use of a .sig separator "-- ".
----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net> // <http://www.arbornetworks.com>
Luck is the residue of opportunity and design.
-- John Milton
-- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)
Since when do crackers have a stated ethnicity? Isn¹t racism based on race, and not flour content in a baked snack? LOL We accept crackers of all types here.. Flour, rice, wheat, grain, etc. On 3/12/14, 10:14 AM, "Eugen Leitl" <eugen@leitl.org> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 04:16:13PM +0000, Warren Bailey wrote:
I heard cheese works really well for catching crackers.
That's racist.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Since when do crackers have a stated ethnicity? Isn¹t racism based on race, and not flour content in a baked snack? LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_%28pejorative%29 -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
Being caucasian myself, I am inherently aware of the terminology “cracker". How a joke relating to catching crackers with “cheese” was translated into a racial slur is completely beyond my comprehension. In my country, we eat cheese with crackers .. So it would be safe to assume the entirety of my comment was related to molded milk fat and baked grain. ;) On 3/12/14, 10:56 AM, "William Herrin" <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Since when do crackers have a stated ethnicity? Isn¹t racism based on race, and not flour content in a baked snack? LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_%28pejorative%29
-- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Being caucasian myself, I am inherently aware of the terminology "cracker". How a joke relating to catching crackers with "cheese" was translated into a racial slur is completely beyond my comprehension.
Hi Warren, Were you not aware that in the U.S., every statement you could possibly make as well as no statement at all is racist, sexist or in some other way impugns anyone wishing to take offense? The retort, "That's racist!" is made tongue in cheek. Similar to Freud's phallic symbols, it's offered in response to the use of any word or phrase which has the slightest connection in any context to racism. Which is most of them. If I said, "The snow is falling, covering the dirty city in a layer of pristine white," it would be perfectly normal for someone to jokingly return, "That's racist!" By describing the *city* as *dirty* and then changed not just to *white* but *pristine* white I practically begged for it. When someone says something that actually is racist, we have a whole different vocabulary for expressing disgust. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
So like.. Nerds have a sense of humor all the sudden?? Did I miss a slashdot post or something? ;) (and I used nerd lovingly..) On 3/12/14, 12:48 PM, "William Herrin" <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Being caucasian myself, I am inherently aware of the terminology "cracker". How a joke relating to catching crackers with "cheese" was translated into a racial slur is completely beyond my comprehension.
Hi Warren,
Were you not aware that in the U.S., every statement you could possibly make as well as no statement at all is racist, sexist or in some other way impugns anyone wishing to take offense?
The retort, "That's racist!" is made tongue in cheek. Similar to Freud's phallic symbols, it's offered in response to the use of any word or phrase which has the slightest connection in any context to racism. Which is most of them.
If I said, "The snow is falling, covering the dirty city in a layer of pristine white," it would be perfectly normal for someone to jokingly return, "That's racist!" By describing the *city* as *dirty* and then changed not just to *white* but *pristine* white I practically begged for it.
When someone says something that actually is racist, we have a whole different vocabulary for expressing disgust.
Regards, Bill Herrin
-- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
So like.. Nerds have a sense of humor all the sudden?? Did I miss a slashdot post or something?
Geeks, man. Geeks. Nerds have pocket protectors. -Bill -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
I just thought it was Nerds didn't have social lives (not likely to be drinking) They fail the blood alcohol test on sign up to the list here. Regards Alexander Alexander Neilson Neilson Productions Ltd Alexander@Neilson.net.nz 021 329 681
On 13/03/2014, at 8:57 am, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
So like.. Nerds have a sense of humor all the sudden?? Did I miss a slashdot post or something?
Geeks, man. Geeks. Nerds have pocket protectors.
-Bill
-- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
And if they were the intended application of the term, I would think that “cheese” would not the the appropriate choice to catch them. However, cheese and crackers would seem to be more a snack, which is at least how
I< interpreted that original comment.
Perhaps I need to drink more… Scott -----Original Message----- From: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 at 1:56 PM To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: How to catch a cracker in the US?
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
Since when do crackers have a stated ethnicity? Isn¹t racism based on race, and not flour content in a baked snack? LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_%28pejorative%29
-- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
participants (8)
-
Alexander Neilson -
Andrew D Kirch -
Eugen Leitl -
Larry Sheldon -
Scott Morris -
Sholes, Joshua -
Warren Bailey -
William Herrin