Hmm.... Thinking out loud here... (is 4:30 AM) I wonder how many times this message will be sent. Otherwords one for each domain? Does this mean that I have to "opt-out" for each domain I have registered???? Yuk. Maybe a new field is needed when creating a domain, __ Check here to NOT receive anything except invoices from NSI Then the thought of complaining to hostmonster@internic.net is not so good as that means more (non registeration based) email to be handled by the auto script stuff. Personally I would like to see NSI respond to this before I say one way or the other. RBL'ing NSI would cause some ops problems and they don't really need any more right now :) I personally don't want to receive anything from them EXCEPT invoice notifications, Update Changes, etc. If I want to purchase something or learn more about them, I'll surf their web site and maybe signup for their newsletter thingy. (Thats Opt-IN) I really hate having to "OPT-OUT" of something, its one more thing to do and I never know if it will really stick or not. I don't think I have a solid yes/no answer. I'll wait for NSI to respond. Chuck, David?????? jmbrown@ihighway.net At 02:17 AM 11/16/98 -0800, you wrote:

The RBL team and I are kind of wondering what to do about some spam we got. Because blackholing NSI would be of operational concern to a lot of you, I've decided to ponder this question out loud:

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:50:26 PST To: rbl@maps.vix.com Subject: Paul - value call on this

Technically, this is an opt-out customer-relationship spam.

I think it is a special case, because _there is no where else to go_.

208.226.58.70 should be RBL'ed, IMHO. Help me.

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Dear Customer,

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At 02:17 11/16/98 -0800, you wrote:

The RBL team and I are kind of wondering what to do about some spam we got. Because blackholing NSI would be of operational concern to a lot of you, I've decided to ponder this question out loud:

Really, on this one, we're all pretty much screwed. You can't blackhole them because, as you say, there's nowhere else to go. Normally, in the spamfight, we'd go to their upstreams and complain and possibly cost the spammer their connectivity...but who's going to disconnect InterNIC? The really sad part is that there is no way to avoid this problem with NSI. The head cheese at Verisign is on the Board of Directors at NSI, so the spam WILL continue. There's no mallet we can hold over their head like we could any other spammer because their connectivity is safe. This is yet another example of the arrogance of NSI. They well know how the 'Netizens feel about spam, and they feel that the loosest of contacts is sufficient to justify the spam (I've gotten it, and I don't have a domain nor am I a contact for any domain...I'm just on their RS-TALK listserv). Yet they spam. Blatant disregard for anyone but their own greedy selves. Sadly...they can get away with it because of who they are and the position they occupy. I actually pray for the day when someone supplants their sorry butts... Spammers should be investigated by Ken Starr! Dean Robb PC-EASY computer services (757) 495-EASY [3279]